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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2006, 07:01:44 pm »

Star Control 2 is not Star Control 3.

Maybe you should read the whole post from him.....

"Awesome, I'll pay big bucks for any rip off of Star Control!

Wait. They're using the plot of Star Control 3: Cat Turd Editon? Uh, yeah. I think I'll wait another few years until Ninja Gaiden 2 comes out before I buy a NextBox."
Doesn't that read to you that he says that a Star Control rip-off is good, as long as it isn't SC3? And weren't you claiming that this game feels like a spiritual successor to SC2 (before anyone pointed out the similarity of the story to SC2)?

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I'll accept your "different people using a single computer" for now. But I will keep an eye on you (two?).
I find it very suspicious when someone who isn't a regular here suddenly starts a thread asking about another game, with the only other person who's enthousiastic about the game being another non-regular from another account from the same IP address, and who as soon as there are some comments which he/she perceives as negative about the game proceeds with trying to lock the thread.

Yeah, but the thing is I was already posting here before he made that Mass Effect thread. Granted, i'm a non-regular, but the time I posted the questions was pretty close to the creation of this thread. Plus, if I wanted to make multiple accounts, i'd use a proxy. 

There are companies that pay people to get involved with forum communitities just so they can insert astroturfing remarks when the time comes. See here (and a followup here) for example.
A few 2 line postings made before bringing up Mass Effect aren't really that convincing.

As for why a shill would not be using a proxy, it would have to be an anonymising proxy, and most of them are unintentionally run by the owner of the computer, which would bring with it all sorts of legal issues. And ofcourse the shill may not even know how to use a proxy.
Then again, posting from the same PC twice to pretend you're two people is indeed a pretty stupid thing for a shill to do. But "being smart" would not have to be on the job description of a shill (unlike "lack of morals").

In my experience, when people start off-topic postings, they do that only if they feel part of the community, or if they have something to advertise. Now it is possible that you're a long-time lurker and already feel like you're part of the community, even though you haven't engaged in any discussion and just asked a few help-desk questions (which isn't a bad thing in itself). But more often than not, such a person just has something to advertise. At the very least, it is a red flag.

I'm not saying that you (two) definitely are part of some astroturfing campaign -- you wouldn't have an account here anymore if I was convinced. But I am not convinved you aren't one either.
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2006, 07:24:12 pm »

Well, apparently Lore registered on the SCDB only to make a post about this. Does that make his shilliness more likely, or less? I say, this is terribly exciting isn't it. I'd never even heard about this phenomenon before, at least not to such an advanced extent.
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2006, 07:25:04 pm »

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Doesn't that read to you that he says that a Star Control rip-off is good, as long as it isn't SC3? And weren't you claiming that this game feels like a spiritual successor to SC2 (before anyone pointed out the similarity of the story to SC2)?

Nope, that was LORE saying it's a spiritual sequel!

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There are companies that pay people to get involved with forum communitities just so they can insert astroturfing remarks when the time comes. See here (and a followup here) for example.
A few 2 line postings made before bringing up Mass Effect aren't really that convincing.

As for why a shill would not be using a proxy, it would have to be an anonymising proxy, and most of them are unintentionally run by the owner of the computer, which would bring with it all sorts of legal issues. And ofcourse the shill may not even know how to use a proxy.
Then again, posting from the same PC twice to pretend you're two people is indeed a pretty stupid thing for a shill to do. But "being smart" would not have to be on the job description of a shill (unlike "lack of morals").

In my experience, when people start off-topic postings, they do that only if they feel part of the community, or if they have something to advertise. Now it is possible that you're a long-time lurker and already feel like you're part of the community, even though you haven't engaged in any discussion and just asked a few help-desk questions (which isn't a bad thing in itself). But more often than not, such a person just has something to advertise. At the very least, it is a red flag.

I'm not saying that you (two) definitely are part of some astroturfing campaign -- you wouldn't have an account here anymore if I was convinced. But I am not convinved you aren't one either.

Using an anonymous proxy is easy. Hell, I could just use Torpark to disguise my IP. But as to your whole "hired to spread the word of X product." Bioware doesn't need that kind of advertising. It's a big name in the gaming industry, and the game won best RPG at last year's E3. Trust me, Bioware doesn't need such shills, and they sure as hell wouldn't hire me to do such a thing anyway.
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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2006, 07:26:24 pm »

Well, apparently Lore registered on the SCDB only to make a post about this. Does that make his shilliness more likely, or less? I say, this is terribly exciting isn't it. I'd never even heard about this phenomenon before, at least not to such an advanced extent.

I'm sure he did it because he probably wanted to know what Star Control fans thought of "mass effect". He was under the mistaken guise that everyone's heard of the game, because of the commotion it gave off at last year's E3.
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2006, 07:51:11 pm »

For those of us who aren't ardent gamers and don't follow such events, any new game is an unknown. The newest game I know of is probably Half-Life 2 or some such. I haven't played it, but I've seen it mentioned. Anything newer or with less hype is probably completely unknown to me. Sad
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2006, 08:03:59 pm »

For those of us who aren't ardent gamers and don't follow such events, any new game is an unknown. The newest game I know of is probably Half-Life 2 or some such. I haven't played it, but I've seen it mentioned. Anything newer or with less hype is probably completely unknown to me. Sad

Yeah, Lore was under the guise that everyone in the gaming world is keeping up with all the latest gaming news.

Or is this just sarcasm again?
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2006, 08:15:02 pm »

No, this is blunt honesty. I'm sure most people (at gaming forums anyway) keep up with things like these. In fact, for all I know, I might be the only one here who hasn't heard about the game. I'm just too old and not hip enough for such things.
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2006, 08:18:57 pm »

I'm thinking Meep-eep's conspiracy theory isn't too far off base. But if Lore and swbf are the same person and that person is a "shill", couldn't he just include tons of info about the game in the first post like I frickin' told him to? That's a better post, and a better job of shilling.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2006, 08:21:41 pm »

I'm thinking Meep-eep's conspiracy theory isn't too far off base. But if Lore and swbf are the same person and that person is a "shill", couldn't he just include tons of info about the game in the first post like I frickin' told him to? That's a better post, and a better job of shilling.

Nah, it's way off base. Lore and me aren't the same person, we just use the same computer. I should have used torpark to post here....now I regret not using it. But as you said, if he wanted to whore out the game, why not include the summary of the game in the post, along with reasons why he thinks it will be an awesome game. Lore's original post is bad advertising if it was meant to be advertising. Plus, he tried to lock the topic.

But oh wait, maybe that's Bioware's plan, get people to think that they are bad at shilling when it's really SHILLING! Oh let the conspiracy theories flow!
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2006, 08:26:43 pm »

I think you're a shill Shiver, if that's even your real name. Maybe you're their overseer.  You saw Lore botched the job, so you stepped in and gave him instructions while pretending to be criticising his post. Then when the result wasn't optimal, you called in backups in the form of swbf just to sell the point that liking the game is something lots of people do. And now that your insidious little marketing attempt has failed, you're throwing them to the wolves. Oh you think you're so smart, sitting there like the Ilwrath in your vast net of  commercial conspiracies, but I'm on to you. What happened to you man? You used to be one of the good guys, and now all you care about is profits.

I'm watching you man. I'm watching you.
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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2006, 08:30:39 pm »

He's not an Ilwrath, Ilwrath's don't care about PROFIT! He's a Druuge. Us three are Druuge's. Damn, my cover has been blown!
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2006, 08:35:04 pm »

Druuge don't have nets. You would've known this if not for the fact that you're a shill, shill. You and your shilly firends should just shill off back to Shilltown where you shillers obviously came from.

I like the world shill. It sounds silly.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, why are you using the same computer? Are you closely related, or is one of you mooching? Cause if one of you is mooching, he might also be a shill. Just saying.
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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2006, 08:40:44 pm »

Druuge don't have nets. You would've known this if not for the fact that you're a shill, shill. You and your shilly firends should just shill off back to Shilltown where you shillers obviously came from.

I like the world shill. It sounds silly.

Hey, don't be insulting my hometown of Shilltown.....it may not have all the glamor of big time cities like Paris or New York, but we have the best SHILL militia ever!

EDIT: Out of curiosity, why are you using the same computer? Are you closely related, or is one of you mooching? Cause if one of you is mooching, he might also be a shill. Just saying.

Oh, we are related. We're brothers, and we share this computer together, much cheaper than buying two computers.
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2006, 11:23:27 pm »

But as to your whole "hired to spread the word of X product." Bioware doesn't need that kind of advertising. It's a big name in the gaming industry, and the game won best RPG at last year's E3.
Well, I never heard of it. And noone here who has spoken out on this topic seems to have either. The gaming industry is a a competitive one, and I've never known big businesses to be particularly shy of dubious practices.

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Bioware doesn't need such shills, and they sure as hell wouldn't hire me to do such a thing anyway.
Why wouldn't they hire you? Or rather, why wouldn't they hire a marketing company that employs tens of people like you for specifically purposes like this?


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But as you said, if he wanted to whore out the game, why not include the summary of the game in the post, along with reasons why he thinks it will be an awesome game.
Maybe he wanted to apply that this game is so big that everyone should know the game already? (So you better go learn about it.)
Maybe he didn't want to make it too obvious that he was shilling?
Maybe he had 20 more boards to shill for today?

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Lore's original post is bad advertising if it was meant to be advertising.
Why is it bad? He advances awareness about the game, and noone would blame Bioware for one of their fans being too lazy to find a link.

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Plus, he tried to lock the topic.
That's a reason against him (you two?) being a shill? That he tried to lock the thread when the thread was not providing good publicity?
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2006, 11:33:42 pm »

And a question about the game itself, what exactly about it would make this game particularly interesting to Star Control fans?
Just the exploring of uncharted regions of space? While I agree that that is a nice part of SC2, it's hardly unique to it.
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