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Chmmr Reproduction
« on: January 02, 2003, 08:18:01 pm »

How exactly do the Chmmr reproduce? Think about it. The Chenjesu probably reproduced similar to the way a real crystal does.. maybe they break a small piece of themselves off, and place it somewhere where a whole Chenjesu can crystallize around the piece. And the Mrmnmrhm were built by Mother Ark. Okay. But now, they're combined... but how could the crystal part and the mechanical part be produced simultaneously? Wouldn't the crystal part just grow into a Chenjesu? And it seems like without Mother Ark they still shouldn't be able to build more of the mechanical parts.
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2003, 01:07:18 am »

The mechanical parts probably have self-replication info built into them designed to grow when the seed crystal grows, compensating for faults and lacks in the crystalline matrices and enhancing other parts.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2003, 11:09:57 pm »

That doesn't fit the story: somewhere in the backstory it says that the Mrrmhrrm were built by the Mother Ark, and once it broke down, they couldn't make any more.  Self-replication, it can be inferred from that, is an ability they do not possess, unless the Chenjesu gave it to them (they're smart enough blokes, though, so why not?).
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2003, 12:09:53 am »

Yes, the Chenjesu WERE smart blokes, and therein is the key word:  WERE.  The Chenjesu and Mhrrnmhrrm are, individually, no more.  The Chmmr are a completely new race, formed by the MERGING (not co-existance or symbiotic relationship) of the two previous races.

Thus, the Chmmr should be viewed as a single race with unique attributes and abilities.

As far as I see it, the merging of crystalline and mechanical resulted in a metallocrystalline being, which would easily be able to reproduce asexually, somewhat like the Chenjesu originally did.  On a molecular level, the Chmmr are probably metal- and carbon-based, with their atoms arranged in a complex crystal structure.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2003, 12:19:34 am »

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Yes, the Chenjesu WERE smart blokes, and therein is the key word:  WERE.  The Chenjesu and Mhrrnmhrrm are, individually, no more.  The Chmmr are a completely new race, formed by the MERGING (not co-existance or symbiotic relationship) of the two previous races.

Thus, the Chmmr should be viewed as a single race with unique attributes and abilities.

Touche.  Ignoring the plot point in SC3 where they were "shattered" into their component races, it's safe to assume that they are a completely new hybrid race, and as such, that "all bets are off".  If one does not ignore the SC3 "shattering", however, a more, erm, "conventional" symbiotic relationship should probably be assumed.

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As far as I see it, the merging of crystalline and mechanical resulted in a metallocrystalline being, which would easily be able to reproduce asexually, somewhat like the Chenjesu originally did.  On a molecular level, the Chmmr are probably metal- and carbon-based, with their atoms arranged in a complex crystal structure.

Just to be pedantic, I'm gonna have to vote for "metal- and silicon-" instead, since neither of the original races were carbon-based. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2003, 06:07:13 am »

I wonder if there are any Chenjesu and Mrmnmhrm that didn't want to undergo to process.  It seems to me that it's likely some of them didn't want to be merged with someone else into a new species, there were likely Chenjesu that wouldn't want their entire race to cease to exist as they know it, especially since they didn't NEED the merge to survive, and it also seems like there would be both Chenjesu and Mrmnmhrm that would believe that Mother Ark could eventually be repaired.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2003, 12:39:52 pm »

Yeah but neither race seems very individualistic. I'm sure they looked at the situation with cold machine/crystalline logic and said we're going to make ourselves much better by doing this, so what's the point in keeping apart?
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2003, 03:47:42 pm »

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Touche.  Ignoring the plot point in SC3 where they were "shattered" into their component races, it's safe to assume that they are a completely new hybrid race, and as such, that "all bets are off".  If one does not ignore the SC3 "shattering", however, a more, erm, "conventional" symbiotic relationship should probably be assumed.


Well I think most of us don't view information from SC3 as canon. At least that's the image I've gotten out of the people here.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2003, 12:11:44 am »

I don't know about the Mmrnmhrm, but the Chenjesu had individuality. Hayes says something about a Chenjesu archiologist that was trying to study the remains of the Taalo civilization, but couldn't because the Androsynth were there. It seems to me that if a human knows the name of a specific Chenjesu that wasn't doing anything involved with humanity, they can't be THAT individualistic.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2003, 04:36:07 am »

What bothers me is that the chmmr aren't in every case superior to the Chenjesu or Mmrnhrm. Therefore, the two races should probably realized that diversity is a greater power than individual power, especially when it comes to fighting... umm... what ARE Chenjesu or Mmrnhrm better at fighting than Chmmr?
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2003, 07:40:15 pm »

Utwig....they eat Chmmr for breakfast...
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2003, 10:08:54 pm »

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I wonder if there are any Chenjesu and Mrmnmhrm that didn't want to undergo to process.  It seems to me that it's likely some of them didn't want to be merged with someone else into a new species, there were likely Chenjesu that wouldn't want their entire race to cease to exist as they know it, especially since they didn't NEED the merge to survive, and it also seems like there would be both Chenjesu and Mrmnmhrm that would believe that Mother Ark could eventually be repaired.


That's a nice subplot idea for a possible sequel. For example, the player meets a Chenjesu or Mmrnmhrm patrol which was sent on a long-range mission before the Process started and got stranded somehow, and never manged to return to Procyon...
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2003, 10:31:19 pm »

I just wish the splitting process had succeeded, completely. Though the chmmr might be powerful, it is not a ship I enjoy playing with or against. Then I'd get the Broodhome and X-form back to toast those Heralds with. The X-form would be good at that, I imagine. Of course, I had no trouble since the upgraded Doog were unstoppable...  :: shudder:: let us speak no more of this.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2003, 05:35:47 pm »

That reproduction is an interesting problem. One possible thing is, that the Chenjesu had studied the Mmrnmhrm mechanical blueprints or something. After that, something of the Chenjesu knowledge must have passed to the Chmmr and so, as said, they break a small piece of the crystalline body and build the mechanical parts on it.

Or do they even reproduce? Or are the Chmmr made in some factories, so the mechanical/electornic parts would be inside as the Chmmr individual is "born".
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2003, 07:00:56 pm »

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That's a nice subplot idea for a possible sequel. For example, the player meets a Chenjesu or Mmrnmhrm patrol which was sent on a long-range mission before the Process started and got stranded somehow, and never manged to return to Procyon...
Remember that the Starbase at Procyon was empty and that the servants who were supposed to run the base somehow slid through the shield to join the process...
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