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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2003, 07:29:15 pm »

Yeah, but if some of them were on a _Forever War_-style mission, then they could be getting back AFTER the destruction of the Sa-Matra.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2003, 07:36:53 pm »

Could be, but as the Chenjesu and the Mmrhmmrm tell you, they knew they have no chance to fight the Sa-Matra and were not willing to risk the life of their complete population just to have some entities of Mmrhmmrm and some Chenjesu running wild. Therefor i guess that all remaining Chenjesu and Mmrhmmrm were at Procyon. Unless they are well hidden. BTW: The slave-rules are that all people of one kind must be enslaved on one planet. Our luck the Ur-Quan just didn't destroy us immediatly after they've found Unzervalt.  Maybe just because the 2nd doctrinal war is on the run.
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2003, 07:42:34 pm »

Well, since they had already put the shield up around Earth it was a little too late, wasn't it? Lastly, don't you think it's ConCEIVABLE that some chenjesu and/or Mmrnhrm were sent on a long range mission, lost power and crash landed somewhere they managed to eke out an extended existence, and went unnoticed by the Kzer-Za? After all, Tanaka did it, and he even had a space ship! Way to go unnoticed.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2003, 08:11:26 pm »

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Well, since they had already put the shield up around Earth it was a little too late, wasn't it? Lastly, don't you think it's ConCEIVABLE that some chenjesu and/or Mmrnhrm were sent on a long range mission, lost power and crash landed somewhere they managed to eke out an extended existence, and went unnoticed by the Kzer-Za? After all, Tanaka did it, and he even had a space ship! Way to go unnoticed.
Of course it is. Look at Vela, that's a stranded long range mission as well.
And Tanaka and his brother Katana just survived the blaze of glory, because they were just on the rim of the explosion.

And the shield up and around earth is fine, but Cmdr. Hayes told us, that the Ur-Quan arrive every so many years to uplift the shield and to exchange the crew aboard the starbase as well as resupply the base with new energy. They've simply had no time to do so due to the conflict with the Korh-Ah. But just the existance of another human colony would be enough for me to control what's going on on earth. Just to make sure, that all slaves are still obedient. And a checkup that this resupply is overdue cannot take so long. This way the Ur-Quan could have stopped the slave revolt quite early. Just our luck that they have a very unflexible bureaucracy.

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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2003, 09:35:57 pm »

When you say, "me" who are you speaking as?

Anyway, all we were suggesting is that some chenjesu and/or mmrnhrm were stranded, like the vela expedition, and are later found after all ofthe others have converted to chmmr.
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2003, 01:03:45 am »

Some leftover Mmrnmhrm and Chenjesu would be a cool subplot for SC:Timewarp... assuming Timewarp ever comes together.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2003, 12:48:15 pm »

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When you say, "me" who are you speaking as?

Anyway, all we were suggesting is that some chenjesu and/or mmrnhrm were stranded, like the vela expedition, and are later found after all ofthe others have converted to chmmr.
No problem...           What i meant with "me" was if I were the Ur-Quan and found out about a ship leaving Vela....
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2003, 03:34:43 pm »

Wouldn't it be possible for these scenarios:

1) The Chenjesu and Mmrnmrhrm (sp?) analyzed their own build, and the Chenjesu, after some research, discovered that it was possible to replicate the Mmrnmrhrm parts provided that it was altered slightly and bonded with a Chenjesu, thus bringing about a Chmmr?

2) Metal is crystalline in structure. That is, it has a structure similar to that of crystals and resembles a crystal formation at high magnification. It is totally possible that given enough raw materials/'nutrition', a completely new Chmmr can be synthesised from parts of a Chenjesu and Mmrnmrhrm. Of course the sentience may require some 'parent' circuits from the Mmrnmrhrm's part, but it is totally feasible. So while the 'first' generation Chmmr (and possibly second) are still seperatable hybrids, future generations may become inextricably bonded.

Just some ideas.
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2003, 07:38:24 pm »

Krulle:
I guess the first answer is that you intercept the Dreadnought that discovered the colony, so no response is possible.
When they SEE you, I guess they're too busy with a doctrinal war.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2003, 07:55:41 pm »

Death_999:
The Ur-Quan seem to have the ability to transmit long-range messages as well as sending emergency beacons.
The other Ur-Quans also know that some humans are free, flying around and battling some Ur-Quan battle-groups. They warn you that they won't tolerate this behaviour much longer (next time it will be the annihilation of your species).
Even if i were at war, a single dreadnought could be spared to do a checkup on earth. Even a single one can be spared to patrol vela.

What i meant is: What i would do if i were a master_?X? in that bureaucracy.

And that long range mission thing: The Chenjesu and the Mmrnmhrm went under one shield, because they planned to be enslaved as one. They must have been planning this for a longer time (the mother-ark broke down several hundred years ago, not just recently). Cold machinery-logic: More Machines to merge -> more Chmmrs to emerge. Same counts for Chenjesu.  In a mixed Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrmm long range mission, the Chenjesu would know of the process (natural hyperwave receivers) and start it wherever they are.  And the Chenjesu wanted it to get new aspects of philosophy.....
And if it were planned since a few years, you wouldn't start some long-range patrols (i guess that's why humans were sent to vela, not Chenjesu-people, who definetly know more about the precursors than humans).
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2003, 08:01:34 pm »

Good answers. Let's see if we can make the game consistent again.
What they see is a big Precursor ship. This can clearly not be made at an Ur-Quan-built starbase. Thus, there is no reason to suspect that Sol is their base of operations. Anyway, they haven't heard any alarming reports from either the Spathi or the Ilwrath sent to keep tabs on the Earthlings, so it would seem most likely that they are based elsewhere, at some precursor installation. A search would take a long time - it can be dealt with later.

Back on the long-range thing: There are several reasons not to do that.
First, the process may render them vulnerable for an extended period of time. In that sense, the slave shield was a blessing. Like the Spathi, they used it to be safe.
Second, the process would have taken a LONG time, but for the use of the sun device. SO, these explorers would finish it a long time from now. Thousands of years?
What might be interesting is if they had a DIFFERENT result than the others - A sort of Mmnrnjesu insead of Chmmr.
Third, though the process would have been planned, its timing was changed to match the slave-shielding. I think we are assuming that this mission was out of contact and would not have found out that the war had been lost. Like those Japanese soldiers who were found in the 50s, only Chenjesu and Mmrnhrm.
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2003, 09:13:40 pm »

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What they see is a big Precursor ship. [...]Thus, there is no reason to suspect that Sol is their base of operations.
But they found a human colony. At least that's what my master told me.
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Anyway, they haven't heard any alarming reports from either the Spathi or the Ilwrath sent to keep tabs on the Earthlings, so it would seem most likely that they are based elsewhere, at some precursor installation. A search would take a long time - it can be dealt with later.
that's right. but they have found humans next to a precurosr installation. therefor they must guess something.

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Back on the long-range thing: There are several reasons not to do that.
First, the process may render them vulnerable for an extended period of time. In that sense, the slave shield was a blessing. Like the Spathi, they used it to be safe.
That's why they chose to do it now.
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Second, the process would have taken a LONG time, but for the use of the sun device. SO, these explorers would finish it a long time from now. Thousands of years?
What might be interesting is if they had a DIFFERENT result than the others - A sort of Mmnrnjesu insead of Chmmr.
Still no more Chenjesu and Mmrhnmhrm. But i like the idea of other Hybrids.
I do not know how long the process would have taken normally, because the Chenjesu tell you that due to the shield not much energy from the sun will reach their surface.
Question: On the dark side of procyon (where the sun device can't reach the surface), do some Chenjesu and or Mmrhmrm still exist there??
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Third, though the process would have been planned, its timing was changed to match the slave-shielding. I think we are assuming that this mission was out of contact and would not have found out that the war had been lost. Like those Japanese soldiers who were found in the 50s, only Chenjesu and Mmrnhrm.
Okay, okay, okay. It is possible.
Another thing: The Mmrnmhrm seem (to me) to stay very close to each other. The reason for this might be the well known fact that their extinction will come, if nothing happens.

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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2003, 09:28:59 pm »

OK, scratch that part about the search.
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2003, 10:37:21 pm »

Someone mentioned that the individual strengths of the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm might be more valuable than the combined strength of the Chmmr.  This is true, of course, and both the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm probably realized this.  But If you will recall, the Process did not go as it was meant to.  I imagine that if the Process was allowed to complete as it normally would, the resultant hybrid race would be more than the sum of its parts.  As it stands now, the Chmmr is probably equal to the sum of its parts, with new strengths and new weaknesses.  But this still makes them into one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy, as the Chenjesu were already one of the most advanced races in existence, and the Mmrnmhrm were not to be trifled with either.
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Re: Chmmr Reproduction
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2003, 10:41:47 pm »

Well, then why were they so adamant about the bifurcator? It would seem to be worth a LOOK, even if in the end it turned out to be a trap.
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