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automapping quasispace portals
« on: March 11, 2007, 09:33:53 pm »

Is there a way to make the quasispace portals automap somehow? that is, once you pass through a QS portal it will change its name (for the next time you are in QS) from "unknown" to "Portal to XXXX:XXXX"?

Ideally you could just set a destination and it would automatically plot the shortest course through both local and QS... (with an option to choose shortest time or least fuel course on the rare occasion when the two differ)

Right now mapping it requires an external map (printout of a map), and that often leads to unintended "cheating" (since you use the same map from previous game / you download a map that already has those marked and thus don't spend the time and fuel to map it properly in game every game).

I also think the arilou in their homeworld would just give you all the data for the portals when you visit them, (maybe add some text describing that) so that the portals all give an exit destination coordinate once you visit the arilou, rather then having you test each and every one.
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 10:20:53 pm »

Is there a way to make the quasispace portals automap somehow? that is, once you pass through a QS portal it will change its name (for the next time you are in QS) from "unknown" to "Portal to XXXX:XXXX"?
I suppose you should be able to do that with a little hacking. However, I don't see the point; all you need to do is jot down the co-ordinates for the portal in QS and the corresponding destination in HS; that's 15 items of the XXX:YYY -> AAA:BBB format. Finding the right portal from your notes is easier than flipping through them in-game anyway.

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Ideally you could just set a destination and it would automatically plot the shortest course through both local and QS... (with an option to choose shortest time or least fuel course on the rare occasion when the two differ)
That would be convenient, and would only take a little more time to do. Just calculate the direct route, routes through all 15 portals and choose the fastest or cheapest one. As the current autopilot system works in terms of fuel, I think it would be easiest to use that.
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2007, 05:38:43 pm »


Right now mapping it requires an external map (printout of a map), and that often leads to unintended "cheating" (since you use the same map from previous game / you download a map that already has those marked and thus don't spend the time and fuel to map it properly in game every game).


Randomizing the portals each game would solve this? Not sure if it can be done?
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 05:49:43 pm »

Randomization? A good idea, but it's not necessary.
Mapping the portals can be done as in the Ultronomicon QuasiSpace article (here) - using the coordinates, specifically the x-coordinates. And note the HS endpoint after its general location (ex. bottom right corner/middle of X race's space etc.). They - almost all (all but one) - lead to points of interest in HS after which they can be mapped.
And taltamir's idea about having the game plot the shortest way is not something I'd like - I like to figure it out myself.
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 06:46:57 pm »

I think it would be nice to have the exit point displayed whenever you move your cursor over the quasi-space porals. It would certainly be convenient and save me the requirement of an external map of the points.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 07:14:54 pm »

I actually loved jotting down items on paper that I learned in SC2/UQM . I usually spent some time reloading a saved game in quasispace just mapping all the points. No loss of fuel for me there and that's what savegames are for, right? Of course, I'd still have to be able to read back my own handwriting after that, but that's a minor detail. Grin
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 02:16:14 am »

Hmm, I thought I had an account on this forum from before. All I can remember is asking someone about the Mycon and responding to a thread saying I also used a Fury to take out the Sa-Matra.

Anyways, I made this in JavaScript:
http://hannil.freehostia.com/portals.html
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 09:52:03 pm »

well, figuring out the shortest route by yourself is nice and all, but supposedly it takes WEEKS to travel around in hyperspace... and it is EXTREMELY easy to make the calculations, I actually used to do them with a big map and a ruler. But its a waste of time for you to do it personally... think of it as delegating the task to your subordinates...
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2007, 12:46:19 am »

Well, but add it as an option (which I'd turn off).
And there's no need to calculate, I can immediately guess the fastest route even without a printed starmap. Just look at the table on http://uqm.stack.nl/wiki/QuasiSpace.

thats cheating...
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2007, 01:10:22 am »

Well, but add it as an option (which I'd turn off).
And there's no need to calculate, I can immediately guess the fastest route even without a printed starmap. Just look at the table on http://uqm.stack.nl/wiki/QuasiSpace.

thats cheating...
Well you can easily find the coordinates yourself and make a list by just exploring QuasiSpace and entering the different portals.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2007, 08:24:39 am »

Yes, do this if you are playing the game for the first time.
Or use this spoiler-free table:
http://uqm.stack.nl/wiki/Secret_Correspondence
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2007, 09:19:34 am »

and that often leads to unintended "cheating" (since you use the same map from previous game / you download a map that already has those marked and thus don't spend the time and fuel to map it properly in game every game).

Wait, what?

So... is it also cheating to remember the solutions to puzzles from your last game and be able to go straight to, say, the planet with the Syreen shuttles instead of visiting all the possible ones?  Is it cheating to remember that you can find radioactives somewhere other than the dangerous Mercury, and go there instead?  Or to get Eluders while you can (knowing you have a limited window) or to know where to go to get the Mycon to go to Organon (despite the fact that the dialog that tells you where to go, isn't there)?

Let's say those things are cheating, because you're using OOC knowledge to help you and the actual character wouldn't do those things (unless he was lucky).  Is it cheating to spend time in Melee fighting Druuge (or Slylandro) ships so you'll be able to beat them when it comes up (or to carry over skills from the last time you did it)?  Remember, IC, you wouldn't necessarily know anything about the ships and their weaknesses, or have any experience fighting them.  You're basically using OOC knowledge and skills to help you win if you do this.

In other words, are you defining "cheating" as "experience"?
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2007, 09:52:42 am »

This is cheating, of course! The game isn't meant to be played like this.
Experience from the previous game should merely mean that you are more skilled at Melee and general procedures.
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Re: automapping quasispace portals
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2007, 09:58:11 am »

I'm guessing speedruns are a terrible, terrible thing, then.  Shocked
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2007, 03:58:21 pm »

Yes, they ARE.  Lips Sealed
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