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Re: What happens to the devices on-board after Sa-Matra's destruction?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2007, 04:42:48 pm »

I've always thought that the Pod also carries your shipmates.
About the Taalo Shield, it was specifically designed against compulsion.
And the Sun Device - I'd say that it was in fact let at the StarBase, though it still stays in the list due to FF's error.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2007, 09:26:26 pm »

Also, the Portal Spawner could be easily removed. Think of how the Druuge remove it (they call it a "Vortex Spawner". Wonder where do they know of such devices?...).
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Re: What happens to the devices on-board after Sa-Matra's destruction?
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2007, 02:17:16 pm »

I wonder how Dnyarri could get out of the locked storage room and save himself at the last second.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2007, 02:18:31 pm »

The credits are not to be taken as canon.

As such, it's silly that the Utwig would break the Ultron for the second time, or that the Dnyarri escaped.
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Re: What happens to the devices on-board after Sa-Matra's destruction?
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2007, 03:57:23 pm »

I think you mean the 'Utwig break the Ultron'.
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2007, 05:03:19 pm »

Also, the Portal Spawner could be easily removed. Think of how the Druuge remove it (they call it a "Vortex Spawner". Wonder where do they know of such devices?...).

This doesn't change the fact that it's a very large piece of equipment (since it's based on an entire Dreadnought warp pod), and there is no room for it in the escape pod. Not to mention that you'd be crazy to try to get to the Sa-Matra without it...
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2007, 05:26:45 pm »

Ah, you mean that it's better to deprive Mankind of such a remarkable device rather than fly your way through Ur-Quan ranks (you can outrun them easily)?!
You're better off leaving it at the StarBase.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2007, 05:55:42 pm »

Incidentally, it must suck to be one of the people crewing the ship for that final mission, knowing that there's only one escape pod on board. I suppose the Shofixti might be eager for that detail (blowing themselves up is nothing new for them), but I can't imagine any of the other races being particularly eager to accept that assignment.

"Brave warrior, we have a mission of honor for you.  You and your crewmates must face the slimy Ur-Quan, stay alive long enough to deposit  "the package", after which you all get blown to kingdom come. Are you up to the task?"

Shofixti: Uh, ok!
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Re: What happens to the devices on-board after Sa-Matra's destruction?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2007, 10:04:20 pm »

Ah, you mean that it's better to deprive Mankind of such a remarkable device rather than fly your way through Ur-Quan ranks (you can outrun them easily)?!
You're better off leaving it at the StarBase.

Yes. I suspect the Arilou would have wanted it that way. No need to attract unwarranted attention (because you know someone's going to extrapolate the technology eventually) and get us all turned into Orz. Besides, it's just going to sit around begging to be examined more closely, anyway; it's not like it could even fit on a Cruiser, or even an Avatar. It was custom built for a ship that is much larger than any one normally used by the known races. Leaving it behind is creating a scenario that could only lead to a disaster.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2007, 10:41:37 pm »

Of course, its curious...there must have been engineers aboard the Flagship. I know if it was me, I'd spend a lot of free time analyzing this portal device and trying to figure out how it works....maybe with this knowledge that the 'Synth didn't have, we will be able to build devices for our Cruisers...
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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2007, 02:29:31 pm »

1. It's dangerous to study IDF unprepared.
2. Some devices are too complex to be able to be copied.

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Yes. I suspect the Arilou would have wanted it that way. No need to attract unwarranted attention (because you know someone's going to extrapolate the technology eventually) and get us all turned into Orz. Besides, it's just going to sit around begging to be examined more closely, anyway; it's not like it could even fit on a Cruiser, or even an Avatar. It was custom built for a ship that is much larger than any one normally used by the known races. Leaving it behind is creating a scenario that could only lead to a disaster.
Aha, so the Arilou were the masterminds behind the Spawner's nonremoval? Yes, it's a plausible explanation - Ah! I have a solution! The Arilou somehow made you forget to tell the Chmmr to remove the Spawner, and after the Upgraded Bomb was fitted in, they couldn't remove the Spawner anymore.
As to the Spawner not fitting into smaller vessels - what if you build a skeleton structure to "enlarge" a Cruiser so that the Spawner fits in?!
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2007, 04:26:33 pm »

Aha, so the Arilou were the masterminds behind the Spawner's nonremoval? Yes, it's a plausible explanation - Ah! I have a solution! The Arilou somehow made you forget to tell the Chmmr to remove the Spawner, and after the Upgraded Bomb was fitted in, they couldn't remove the Spawner anymore.

Or, more likely, the device was just too useful where it was to go through the trouble of removing it, and would have sat in storage or a research lab (much to the Arilou's chagrin; mysterious sabatoge may follow shortly thereafter) since it's too large for any other ship.

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As to the Spawner not fitting into smaller vessels - what if you build a skeleton structure to "enlarge" a Cruiser so that the Spawner fits in?!

What would you like to remove in order to make room? How about the entire standard engine, since that's one of the only places on the Cruiser that would be big enough to feasibly hold it, even after enlargement. The others would be the bridge, or perhaps the missile storage bays. Or maybe you would want to mount it on an allied ship instead? I'm sure we could clear up some room on a Nemesis for it. Roll Eyes

Do you suppose that the technicians aboard the starbase would have been able to install it correctly themselves on another ship (especially one that's jury-rigged like you're suggesting)? Personally, I doubt it; if they managed to keep their portal spawner technology out of the hands of both the Hierarchy and the rest of the Alliance for the entire Slave War, then they're not likely to just let an easily transplantable version fall into the hands of anyone, despite (or perhaps especially because, given the potential implications of IDF exploration) it being in the hands of their favorite "children."

Also, I like to think that the Arilou's warnings may have hit home with Zelnick, and he wouldn't allow the starbase engineers and scientists to study the spawner in much detail. By the same token, he probably insisted that it be included on the final mission, not only to make the final assault simpler, but also because he knew that the final net effect would be the destruction of the artifact.
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Re: What happens to the devices on-board after Sa-Matra's destruction?
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2007, 04:41:42 pm »

Ah, a good point.
Except the "make room on the ship for the Spawner" - no, I wanted to say that the Spawner is mounted OUTSIDE the ship.
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2007, 05:02:40 pm »

Which would make it even more of a technical nightmare, and that much more prone to damage.
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2007, 05:36:46 pm »

Or the Chmmr left it installed because they had only one objective in mind: destroy the Sa-Matra and do that as quickly as possible, whatever it takes.
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