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Question: What theory about the creators of the Mmrnmhrm do you support?
Evil species that lives westward
Evil species slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah
Evil species imprisoned by the Kzer-Za
Evil species, battle thralls of the Kzer-Za
Evil species that hides from the Ur-Quan
Not evil species that lives westward
Not evil species slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah
Not evil species imprisoned by the Kzer-Za
Not evil species, but battle thralls of the Kzer-Za
Not evil species that hides from the Ur-Quan
Evil species that died from a mysterious cause, before the Ur-Quan arrived
Not evil species that died from a mysterious cause, before the Ur-Quan arrived
Precursors
Keel-Verezy
Evil species that lives westward (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species imprisoned by the Kzer-Za (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species, battle thralls of the Kzer-Za (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species that hides from the Ur-Quan (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)

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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2007, 07:27:14 pm »

What if the Creators hadn't envisioned any of this for the Mmrnmhrm and are actually displeased and go to arms.  Or turn out to be some brand of baddies, bent on world domination. Have the Chenjesu retained enough control in the Chmmr evolutionary form to prevent the Mhrnmhrm aspect doing the Creators wishes? Or is the hardwiring so connected with the Chmmr form that a evil Creators could turn our Chmmr allies against us?

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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2007, 09:09:35 pm »

I once again agree with Draxas.

Ah, and if we were here, the Chmmr will almost certainly travel down the path that the Kzer-Za travelled and free each and every race under their domination. Then there is a 1/2 chance that they will find the creators of the Mmrnmhrm (because they could have been exterminated by the Kohr-Ah).
Or... what if the Mmrnmhrm are creations of the Keel-Verezy?
Another option - their creators come from the "western" region of the galaxy (west from the Ilwrath). The only region that has not seen Ur-Quans.


And jucce: They could not have reprogrammed themselves if they had a program that stopped them from doing such a thing.
True, but I guess the Chenjesu could. Maybe that's why the Mmrnmhrm merged with the Chenjesu, to break free from their creators (evil?) purpose and live as they want. They may not want to be tools anymore.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2007, 10:02:31 pm »

Granted, there may be other Mmrnhrm elsewhere, assuming that the Mother Ark is just one of many similar constructs. However, I think it's fair to say that the Chenjesu no longer exist separately; unlike the Mmrnhrm, they evolved naturally on a single world, and all participated in the process when their world was slave shielded.

I am under the impression that the Chenjesu merged under their own free will. I wouldn't go as far as to assume that all Chenjesu/Mmrnhrm merged together. There may still be a few individuals left from each of the two races (even on Procyon, I mean does everyone run Windows on this world just because it is being shoved down your throat by the masses? no.).
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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2007, 03:43:12 pm »

I am under the impression that the Chenjesu merged under their own free will. I wouldn't go as far as to assume that all Chenjesu/Mmrnhrm merged together. There may still be a few individuals left from each of the two races (even on Procyon, I mean does everyone run Windows on this world just because it is being shoved down your throat by the masses? no.).

I can't find a link that contains all the text from the game, but I'm pretty sure they say that the Chenjesu and Mmrnhrm are no more. 

I also stumbled upon a comment on the ultranomicon stating that the chmmr isn't the finished product, due to the sun device's acceleration of the process.  Could this mean that the SC3 universe would have the Chmmr as a totally different entity, under the assumption that they completed their metamorphesis?  Maybe that was the point of the Mmrnhrm all along, to find a creature to synth with.

And maybe they were sent by the Precursors, which instructed them to find the most developed race in the quadrant.  And they gave them plans to pass along to synth the two to create a new precursor race.

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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2007, 03:52:50 pm »

No, the Process is incomplete and, now, incompletable. Since they say "WE ARE FREE!
YOU HAVE FLOODED OUR SYNTHESIS MECHANISMS WITH A WEALTH OF RADIANT ENERGY.
WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE DECADES HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN SECONDS.
THE PROCESS IS INCOMPLETE, YET WE HAVE EMERGED." - what was supposed to take decades was the whole Process, so it is complete, but in the wrong way.

and

"WE WERE NOT READY... BUT THIS IS NOW IN THE PAST.
WHAT IS DONE IS DONE." - you see, you cannot reverse the Process.

As to where to find the quotes, try http://starcontrol.classicgaming.gamespy.com/scwc/sc2_dialogue_files.shtml for all the text (including what is excluded from UQM) or, in your UQM folder, in content\packages there is uqm-0.6.2-content.uqm, which is in fact a renamed .zip file. Inside there is a "comm" folder. Inside there is a folder for each race. Each of those folders has a .txt file with their replies.
And yes, it is implied that there are no more Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm as far as Chmmr know, but who knows what renegade Chenjesu may exist out there?
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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2007, 04:36:01 pm »

Considering that the spathi thought the mmrnmhrm were quite civil, that's saying something. I doubt an evil creator made them. Or if they are evil, they thinking really long-term.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2007, 04:49:32 pm »

I also stumbled upon a comment on the ultranomicon stating that the chmmr isn't the finished product, due to the sun device's acceleration of the process.  Could this mean that the SC3 universe would have the Chmmr as a totally different entity, under the assumption that they completed their metamorphesis?  Maybe that was the point of the Mmrnhrm all along, to find a creature to synth with.

And maybe they were sent by the Precursors, which instructed them to find the most developed race in the quadrant.  And they gave them plans to pass along to synth the two to create a new precursor race.

ohhhhh the conspiracy theorys!
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Now, I see that most voters agree with the theory that holds that Mmrnmhrm as creations of an unknown ordinary species.
What do you believe, however? That this species is evil or not? That is was slave-shielded by the Kzer-Za, slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah, ran away/hid from any of those, or lives in the region westward from ours?

Well, why couldn't they be a Precursor creation? Perhaps, like the Mycon, they are constructs with corrupted programming (though, unlike the Mycon, this corruption has led to them becoming independent while not necessarily impeding their ability to function in any kind of significant way that we're aware of). In fact, the two races almost seem to serve complementary roles: The Mycon are terraformers and world-builders, ostensibly preparing for the return of their creators. And the Mmrnhrm are the warriors and scouts, establishing control of unclaimed systems and making them safe for the Mycon to arrive and do their work, as well as defending the Mycon if they should be in danger while the process is ongoing.

Incidentally, the region of space west of the map is probably pretty empty. Same with the region to the south. That's because the galactic core lies to the northeast, indicating the rim is to the southwest. This is supported by the angles of approach taken by the Ur-Quan: The Kzer-Za from the north through Thraddash space, and the Kohr-Ah from the east through Druuge space. Since they themselves describe it as following the spin of the galaxy (and knowing the zeal to which the Ur-Quan set to the task of following their doctrines), it's probably a fair bet that what we see is pretty representative of what exists between the core and rim in our quadrant.

Besides, they're called quadrants. This sort of implies that there are only 4 of them, and the logical place to put the other 3 would be to the north, northeast, and east of the map.
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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2007, 04:59:34 pm »

Hmm...the question appears to have degenerated into these:
 Will the Chmmr complete their transformation and into what
 Is the transformation apart of the Mrrnmhrm's original mission or seperate
 Are the Chmmr subject to that original programming
 And finally: Are there Chenjesu and Mrrnmhrm still seperate and CAN the Chmmr seperate.

 My own answers are as follows:

 Okay, the first one has already been hashed out.

 The second, my thinking is that our mechanical friends are still somehow fullfillinig their programming whatever that may entail. This means that until that programmng is revealed or terminated, we much remain ever vigilant to their true cause and purpose.

 A ship, damaged in battle, may limp away and attempt to make repairs. On a ships as complicated as the X-Form or the Broodhome, this could take years, even decades. Or they may even set up shelter and remain until rescued. Which.....would never have happened since the alliance lost the first Star Control War. However, the fact that they were never discovered during SCWII would indicate that they, assuming that they exist, would either be an advance scout in the opposite direction from the front, or they have laid low for fear of the Ur-Quan. There are, of course, other options, but I can't think of them right now.

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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2007, 05:39:53 pm »

Quote from: Draxas
Well, why couldn't they be a Precursor creation?
Because there are enough Precursor constructs already.

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Besides, they're called quadrants. This sort of implies that there are only 4 of them
You too have played too much SCn3. Where is the name "quadrant" used in SC2?!!!

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Incidentally, the region of space west of the map is probably pretty empty. Same with the region to the south.
Who said that we are exactly at the edge of the galaxy? Plus, there are some scattered stars outside the main galactic area. Especially in HyperSpace, which is distorted.
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2007, 05:50:53 pm »

No, the Process is incomplete and, now, incompletable. Since they say "WE ARE FREE!
YOU HAVE FLOODED OUR SYNTHESIS MECHANISMS WITH A WEALTH OF RADIANT ENERGY.
WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE DECADES HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN SECONDS.
THE PROCESS IS INCOMPLETE, YET WE HAVE EMERGED." - what was supposed to take decades was the whole Process, so it is complete, but in the wrong way.

and

"WE WERE NOT READY... BUT THIS IS NOW IN THE PAST.
WHAT IS DONE IS DONE." - you see, you cannot reverse the Process.

As to where to find the quotes, try http://starcontrol.classicgaming.gamespy.com/scwc/sc2_dialogue_files.shtml for all the text (including what is excluded from UQM) or, in your UQM folder, in content\packages there is uqm-0.6.2-content.uqm, which is in fact a renamed .zip file. Inside there is a "comm" folder. Inside there is a folder for each race. Each of those folders has a .txt file with their replies.
And yes, it is implied that there are no more Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm as far as Chmmr know, but who knows what renegade Chenjesu may exist out there?

The Process might be doctoring out strategy against the UQ as well. That may be one of the reasons they are saying that the process is incomplete. Does not mean they can't finish it anymore.  I come to the same conclusion with the 2nd quote, they can't turn back time and prevent you from flooding them with energy, thus they cannot sit on their crystalline/mechanical behinds figuring out how to beat the UQ. However, it does not imply that they cannot complete the Process. It may simply imply that they can't shoo you off and go back to finishing the Process right now.

Anyhow, theories and speculations enough. I voted for the omnious: not evil, but dead through mystery . Leaves enough open to speculate on that.
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