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Question: What theory about the creators of the Mmrnmhrm do you support?
Evil species that lives westward
Evil species slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah
Evil species imprisoned by the Kzer-Za
Evil species, battle thralls of the Kzer-Za
Evil species that hides from the Ur-Quan
Not evil species that lives westward
Not evil species slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah
Not evil species imprisoned by the Kzer-Za
Not evil species, but battle thralls of the Kzer-Za
Not evil species that hides from the Ur-Quan
Evil species that died from a mysterious cause, before the Ur-Quan arrived
Not evil species that died from a mysterious cause, before the Ur-Quan arrived
Precursors
Keel-Verezy
Evil species that lives westward (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species slaughtered by the Kohr-Ah (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species imprisoned by the Kzer-Za (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species, battle thralls of the Kzer-Za (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)
Evil species that hides from the Ur-Quan (but the Mmrnmhrm are made good to raise the challenge level)

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Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« on: March 19, 2007, 03:09:42 pm »

I'm surprised no one made such a thread before, but WHO and WHY built the Mother Ark?!

My guess is that it has something to do with the intended result of the Chenjesu-Mmrnmhrm Process - which would perhaps be a superorganism, a Living Procyon?
Maybe the creators of the Mmrnmhrm sought perfection and built the Mother Ark as a seeker of it? Because that's what the Chmmr were intended to be, after all - perfect beings.

My other guess is that they are safeguarding the souls of their creators until they would find a suitable body for them.

And by the way, they could be the vanguard of the returning Precursor race.
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 03:38:14 pm »

The history around the Mother Ark, like the Orz and Precursors, still have plenty of mysteries.  According to Hayes, the Mother Ark produced millions of Mmrnmhrm then stopped for some reason.  And for some reason, it wasn't repaired.

I don't think TFB ever said anything addition about it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 03:48:09 pm »

Exactly. It may be the central idea of the next Star Control.

The Mark II  is going to follow the rainbow worlds to some far off distant quandrant and fight the death star as the next SC.

I hear there's a minigame that involves talana too.
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 06:08:10 pm »

Now we have a poll too.

As always, if there's a leftover option, specify it in a post in this thread.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 06:58:57 pm »

I think these guys were guards or scout ships. Looking at their style, the combination of
little missiles and close-in lasers makes me think they were designed to scout for
or escort larger ships. Especially if you consider the roll a small fleet of the Mmmrmmhrm
working together could play.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 07:02:15 pm »

They may be something along the lines of the probes. Send out to explore, gather intel, then return/await arrival of species. Only they were built with an AI to prevent "mishaps" with wrongful programming.

The Mother Ark may only have been a means of transport to this region of space.

The fact is that the Mmrnmhrm are self aware. The exploratory program might have been a subversive one, that would deactivate itself when the unit was in danger. The Mother Ark entered a hostile region of space, thus all Mmrnmhrm were "born" with the subversive program turned off, or deactivated immediately at "birth".

that's my 2 cents.

(I see Zeep-Eeep posted something similar, but heck)
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 08:37:14 pm »

I didn't expect Hayes' opinion to have such popularity, frankly!
Now, about the "subversive" program - no, they know their purpose from the birth, they just chose to fight the Ur-Quan since they interfered with their purpose. Excerpt from the SC2 manual:
"These non-hostile mechanical beings were assembled for some kind of mission by a distant alien race. When born/built, each Mmrnmhrm awakens filled with knowledge and purpose, though to date the Mmrnmhrm have not revealed the exact nature of their long-term mission."

Of course the colonization purpose is the most obvious, but I think there's more to the story than meets the eye...

As to the ship design - why wouldn't it be fit for fighting alone, let's say? I mean, it's more of an all-around ship design, made to hold its own in whatever fight, even without allies.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 01:15:33 am »

I didn't expect Hayes' opinion to have such popularity, frankly!
Now, about the "subversive" program - no, they know their purpose from the birth, they just chose to fight the Ur-Quan since they interfered with their purpose. Excerpt from the SC2 manual:
"These non-hostile mechanical beings were assembled for some kind of mission by a distant alien race. When born/built, each Mmrnmhrm awakens filled with knowledge and purpose, though to date the Mmrnmhrm have not revealed the exact nature of their long-term mission."

Of course the colonization purpose is the most obvious, but I think there's more to the story than meets the eye...

As to the ship design - why wouldn't it be fit for fighting alone, let's say? I mean, it's more of an all-around ship design, made to hold its own in whatever fight, even without allies.
Are they loyal to their theoretical masters? There's no guarantee to be obedient to your creators, especially when you haven't seen them for a thousand years and have a history and culture of your own.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2007, 02:42:39 pm »

Yes there is, if you are a robot. Even sentient robots can be programmed as to never revolt.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 03:35:54 pm »

That may depend on how you viwe sentient and revolting. (Revoltnig sentients?)
Assuming sentient beings can change their behavior to adapt, I suppose they
could take strange new directions after a thousand years. For that matter,
what is revolting? If you have received no new orders in thousands of years,
I'd say that indicates a certain freedom to branch out.

Also, it may be true that the creators of the Ark knew they weren't going to
exist forever. In that case, the Ark and its machines may have had a time line
programmed into them, after which.... who knows.

There are a lot of unknowns and loose ends in the SC2 universe which will
probably never be tied up. I like it that way.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2007, 05:25:53 pm »

There are a lot of unknowns and loose ends in the SC2 universe which will
probably never be tied up. I like it that way.

This one in particular has no hope of EVER being resolved, being that the Mmrnhrm don't even exist anymore. Unless the creators of the Mother Ark unexpectedly make an appearance and admit to being responsible for its creation (which is unlikely, even if they are searching for the Mmrnhrm, because the hybridization process was probably not something they foresaw their creations taking part in), we're never going to know.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2007, 06:38:45 pm »


This one in particular has no hope of EVER being resolved, being that the Mmrnhrm don't even exist anymore.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. There is a another race that has some beings living away from their slaveshielded homeworld. They turn out to be saving the entire galaxy. As we are still dealing with individuals here and not a collective mind (assumption here, shoot down where appropriate), not all Mmrnmhrm and/or Chenjesu may merged together. There may actually still be a few of each race left...

Hm, did I just add another loose end?  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2007, 07:04:00 pm »

Granted, there may be other Mmrnhrm elsewhere, assuming that the Mother Ark is just one of many similar constructs. However, I think it's fair to say that the Chenjesu no longer exist separately; unlike the Mmrnhrm, they evolved naturally on a single world, and all participated in the process when their world was slave shielded.
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Re: Poll: The Mother Ark and the Mmrnmhrm
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 07:17:48 pm »

Yes there is, if you are a robot. Even sentient robots can be programmed as to never revolt.
I guess they could have re-reprogrammed themselves and Zeep-Eeep has some good points.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 07:22:43 pm »

I once again agree with Draxas.

Ah, and if we were here, the Chmmr will almost certainly travel down the path that the Kzer-Za travelled and free each and every race under their domination. Then there is a 1/2 chance that they will find the creators of the Mmrnmhrm (because they could have been exterminated by the Kohr-Ah).
Or... what if the Mmrnmhrm are creations of the Keel-Verezy?
Another option - their creators come from the "western" region of the galaxy (west from the Ilwrath). The only region that has not seen Ur-Quans.


And jucce: They could not have reprogrammed themselves if they had a program that stopped them from doing such a thing.
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