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Re: Evolution of plant-insect symbiosis
« Reply #120 on: May 20, 2007, 05:16:08 pm »

I will be the first to admit that my posts prior to the deletion were *not* my finest hour (well ok, second to admit).  I think RType has been quite undignified for some time now, and I was not impressed with some of the accusations he leveled at me, hence the outburst.  Not that it makes my harsh language ok.  My apologies to anyone offended.

Thriding this. I actually intended to report your post when I got back home, as I felt you and RTyp both had managed to get way off topic and far too personal. But when I got home the thread was gone.

I guess the right have your opinions respected rather than erased doesn't apply to everyone.
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« Reply #121 on: May 20, 2007, 09:17:35 pm »

I'm done.  Any unfinished business should be handled privately. Thanx.

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« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2007, 02:20:21 pm »

Util you find some new video with something evolution-related you don't understand, and it starts all over again.
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« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2007, 10:59:46 pm »

I didn't know it was against the rules to delete a topic. Now I do, so it would never happen again. That said, it seemed appropriate at the time since the thread was veering way off course and filling up with vulgarities at an alarming rate. Three similar topics now and I am done, it's not worth it.
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« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2007, 11:28:59 pm »

It's not so much the rules, it's decency. Despite some less-than-friendly language in the end, people have put time and thought into this thread. There shouldn't have to be a rule to not to delete that.
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« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2007, 12:28:51 am »

Meep, just so that everyone knows....have you removed the ability for members to delete threads they started?
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« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2007, 12:58:32 am »

Util you find some new video with something evolution-related you don't understand, and it starts all over again.

It seems I've been a bit misleading for you to hold such a thought. The truth is that I understand these evolution related links just fine. but in my area of the world it is dusk and there is nothing like a good, Just-So story  before bed time to send me straight to sleepy land... Wink

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« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2007, 01:27:49 am »

Hey baltar.. At first I thought you were just trying to be intimidating so I played along, then you really seemed to be upset, that is when I (wrongly) cleared the topic. I really meant it when I said the last thing I wanted to do is enrage people. nobody had ever acted like that in any previous realted thread and I was actually puzzled. Im really not as intense as I may appear to be.

Personally, I have skin of kevlar and virtually nothing phases me. I apologize if I offended you. Accept if you like, or not.. It's up to you.
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« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2007, 02:21:30 am »

Baltar: yes, it should no longer be possible for non-moderators to remove threads.
Next time if someone has a problem with a posting, just report it to the moderators (there's a link at the bottom right of each posting to do just that), and we'll decide whether it's bad enough to be removed.
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« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2007, 03:56:39 am »

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Yes, those are some interesting theories. However I don't see how they clash with evolution or resonate with ID. He himself says that his theories fit with the theory of evolution.

...I’ve interacted with other pro-evolution individuals who grudgingly admit that some of what used to be considered junk “may not be”, but inevitably they will still argue that “the vast majority of non-coding DNA does not have any function”.    Why does this line of reasoning seem to be so important to evolutionists?    I can think of two reasons.    For one, if only 2% of human DNA is “functional”, then there is a lot less information that had to be produced by random mutations and natural selection.    If even 10% of the genome is functional, that would be 5 times more information.   If 50% of the genome is functional, that means 25 times more information.    Pretty soon the amount of information contained in the genomes of the various species proves to be enormous if it is attributed to evolution.    Another reason “junk” appeals to the evolutionists is because it would seem to run counter to the idea of an Intelligent Designer (or Creator).   We can see that in Dawkins’ statements above.   But, more importantly, pro-evolution websites have built major arguments in support of evolution based upon the idea of “shared errors” (shared junk), as proof of evolution.

The Talk Origins Archive, perhaps the number one pro-evolution website (along with “Pandas Thumb”), has two articles that rely on the “shared errors” argument in support of evolution.  The Talk Origins authors detail a number of different classes of “Junk DNA” that they claim prove common descent.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html#transposons
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html

Panda’s Thumb also finds it important to argue for “Junk DNA”:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/12/another_example.html

In the rest of this section I will show how those arguments are being obliterated by the evidence pouring in from molecular biology and genetics research....


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http://www.detectingdesign.com/images/Pseudogenes/Pseudogenes.doc


I actually sent him an e-mail and asked him. And he says that it doesn't clash with the theory of evolution. In fact in his papers he gives hypothesis dealing with how this system could have evolved.
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« Reply #130 on: May 22, 2007, 07:59:28 pm »

It seems I've been a bit misleading for you to hold such a thought. The truth is that I understand these evolution related links just fine.

This is quite untrue, unless the purpose of all your threads so far has simply been trolling. You've demonstrated a lack of knowledge in many areas of the evolutionary theory (ranging from basic aspects such as whether a mutation has to be advantageous or not to be carried forward, to esoteric ones as your incomprehension regarding the cosmos which D_99 pointed out).

So either you do not know a lot of basic evolutionary theory as you claim, or you are simply trolling. Which one is it? Or perhaps both? Your follow up:

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but in my area of the world it is dusk and there is nothing like a good, Just-So story  before bed time to send me straight to sleepy land... Wink

Seems to at least indicate the later.

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Interesting. Is he in any way related to Carlos Mencia, the thieving comedian?
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« Reply #131 on: May 23, 2007, 12:07:44 am »

Good point EP. Rectified.
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« Reply #132 on: May 23, 2007, 12:14:34 am »

Umm, RTyp06...?

I'm done.  Any unfinished business should be handled privately. Thanx.
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« Reply #133 on: May 23, 2007, 05:35:29 pm »

You've demonstrated a lack of knowledge in many areas ... to esoteric ones as your incomprehension regarding the cosmos which D_99 pointed out).

Man, I completely forgot about that. Good memory! And I got to close the thread, too.
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« Reply #134 on: June 14, 2007, 06:19:37 am »

Hey!  Look at the great stuff RTyp06's friends are up to!

http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/ars-takes-a-field-trip-the-creation-museum.ars

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