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Re: A problem with the Hierarchy
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2007, 08:21:01 pm »

OK, can you give a possible way to keep those battle thralls in check so that they don't revolt, then?
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Re: A problem with the Hierarchy
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2007, 08:57:37 pm »

Hmm.

You know how enemy races won't chase you outside of their sphere of influence? Maybe the Kzer-Za forbid their thralls from leaving their SOIs...

Just an idea.
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Re: A problem with the Hierarchy
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2007, 08:56:03 am »

Not bad, but they can still flee and rally with the SoIs of the other thralls (especially keeping in mind the slow speed of the Dreadnoughts; see Umgah clonking Mycon in the head). And keeping SoIs separated would reduce their strategic strength, also.

Though there are enough good methods (yet sophisticated) to keep thralls in check, for sure. For example, sinking their society into a very intricate bureaucracy to prevent any moves that don't come from the Ur-Quan.
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Re: A problem with the Hierarchy
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2007, 06:08:51 pm »

The Ur-Quan are certainly clever enough for that, it just strikes me as suboptimal to throw away so many assets. The other problem with this is that the Ur-Quan despise dishonest behavior. Are you sure their code of honor would even allow them to re-write the rules their slaves are under so suddenly just for the sake of expedience? That doesn't sound very Ur-Quan to me.

As was mentioned in the thread that spawned this one, the Thrall contract was at least partly misunderstood by the Traddash, and the Kzer-Za stepped in. I find it quite plausible that the contract contains lots of things that all races might not understand, especially if they don't understand the Kzer-Za. For instance, the Thrall agreement might say something along the lines of "We agree to retain limited autonomy and fight for our masters during their conflicts in this region." So when there are no more conflicts in the region, the Kzer-Za think it is patently obvious that the next step is slave shielding. The Thralls might simply assume it means "You don't have to go to other quadrants and fight". The Kzer-Za might not be lying from their point of view. They might be spelling it out, but we're just too stupid to understand.

Like I said before, rounding up the Thralls would be fairly simple. During the Doctrinal conflict everyone is in lockdown, and the only reason it's failing is that the Kzer-Za have been gone too long. If they lock down all Thralls and then deal with them one by one, they should have no trouble. After all, the Kzer-Za fleet can outgun any Thrall.

Some people have raised the possibility of leaving a fleet behind to guard the thralls. I must say I think leaving a small group behind to check on Fallow slaves makes more sense. Less of a strain on your resources. And since the Kohr-Ah have to do the same, you'd still be on equal footing.
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Re: A problem with the Hierarchy
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 02:29:08 am »

Well we know that slaves get to decide their status by popular vote.
Actually, they let each race decide by their own usual methods.  We were a democratic government, and we chose by democratic vote.  The Spathi had it decided by their High Council, and the Yehat Queen decided for them.
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