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Re: Syreen "special" encounter?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2003, 05:05:28 am »

Well, it grossed someone out because she conceived of her character as female, and here Talana was, hitting on her.

Well, I guess it fits given that Syreen are predominantly female.

But of course that raises the issue of, HOW THE HECK did that population imbalance perpetuate for more than one generation?
IIRC, there were SOME male syreen survivors of Syra. So their children would be 50% male and 50% female.
Unless the dominant mode of reproduction is artificial (egg-egg combinations or cloning), they're relying on those males...
SO, unless Syreen gender determination is both wildly and radically different from humans' (quite believable), and species-suicidal (i.e. if no men around, produce fewer males).
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2003, 10:03:45 am »

I quote Talana:
The final population of our species [after leaving Syra] was less than ten thousand, with only five hundred males
So males comprise, at most, 5% of their species.

The Syreen joined the Alliance sometime on or soon before the year 2124. The Alliance lost the war around 2134-35, I think. Talana says:
We'd been searching for a home planet for seventy-five years and in the end, it was our enemies who gave one to us.
At 2155 it had been approximately 20 years since the Alliance lost the war and so about 95 years since the Syreen abandoned Syra.

So how long would it take for the male and female populations to get back to their natural ratio? I have absolutely no idea. But there may be long standing social cosntraints at work here. For example, we have no idea how the Syreen view childbirth outside of marriage, or if one female takes multiple husbands (or vice-versa).

Maybe someone who is more knowledgeable about such things could take a stab at it. =)
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2003, 07:16:52 pm »

Unless something about the Syreen causes them to give birth to more females than males, there is no real reason the sexes shouldn't be more or less evened out by now.

The only reason they're not even is because FF and PR3 wanted the Syreen to be a race of psychic hotties. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2003, 07:48:53 pm »

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The only reason they're not even is because FF and PR3 wanted the Syreen to be a race of psychic hotties. Smiley


Are they even psychic, if you don't take Star Control 3 into account? Sure they have 'psionic amplifiers' in their technology that are used in the Syreen Song, and the proper technology to keep captured crew in a docile state. It is just that I remember playing Master of Orion 2, and thinking that it had several notable copycat races. One that seemed based off the Syreen, the Humans seemed based off of Captain Picard, and one seemed based off of the Kilrathi. I was wondering if they 'always' had basic, non-technological psychic abilities, or if it was something that mushroomed from the Syreen Song, to Master of Orion 2, to Star Control 3 where they apparently are decidedly psychic.
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2003, 08:11:27 pm »

Well... they're not psychic in the same way Professor X is or anything. I don't think they can really read minds, or anything. But it's certain that they can control people (you would think only humanoid males, but the Syreen Song works against everything from Mycon and Mrmnmhrm to other Syreen)... the Penetrator ships only amplify that ability. Considering how afraid of the Dnyarri the Ur-Quan are, it's surprising that they'd allow any part of a race with an ability similar (albeit much much much less powerful) live outside the slave shield. I mean... what if Talana had managed to build some sort of amplifier and strap it on (no pun intended Smiley ) to the starbase?
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2003, 08:18:03 pm »

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I mean... what if Talana had managed to build some sort of amplifier and strap it on (no pun intended Smiley ) to the starbase?


Considering how close Ilwrath space is to Human space, and given technology's tendency to choose to break down at precisely the worst time, I don't think I want to know what would have happened.
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2003, 09:10:15 pm »

Erm, I'm not sure I follow you.  Plus, I was talking about the Syreen's starbase.
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2003, 09:11:26 pm »

Sorry for the double post, but that brought something else to mind...

When you ally with the Syreen, why don't they start using their starbase to synthesize fuel and stuff for you? That would be mighty convenient since they're near the center of the quadrant.
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2003, 09:11:37 pm »

With a huge emitter on the Syreen starbase they'd attract enough VUX to... Umm, what are VUX good for anyway?
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2003, 09:20:07 pm »

They make excellent sushi.
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2003, 10:40:19 pm »

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Erm, I'm not sure I follow you.  Plus, I was talking about the Syreen's starbase.


Oh okay. My mistake.
And what I meant was that the Ilwrath would come flocking to the human starbase, willingly working side by side with humans, when the device would suddenly break down one day, and all of humanity would awaken to find themselves side by side with a whole bunch of also-awakened man-eating spiders.
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Re: Syreen "special" encounter?
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2003, 12:13:31 am »

Hmmm... How dangerous is an Ilwrath in the flesh I wonder? Sure, they are spiderlike creatures, but we don't really know anything about their size. they could probably win unarmed combat pretty easily, but someone carrying a blowtorch, or even a spanner might be more troublesome for them. They like to torture and maim, yes, but how good are they at the actual fighting? It all depends on what allies you have I suppose. The Orz could take them to pieces quite easily.
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Re: Syreen "special" encounter?
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2003, 12:15:43 am »

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When you ally with the Syreen, why don't they start using their starbase to synthesize fuel and stuff for you? That would be mighty convenient since they're near the center of the quadrant.


Well, remember that in the beginning of the game you need to move the precursor fabrication tech off of your ship and onto the starbase. So maybe they could refuel you somewhat, but be unable to rapidly produce more fuel...
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Re: Syreen "special" encounter?
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2003, 12:22:10 am »

That's something I wondered about as well. I was really disappointed when the Syreen Starbase just sat there, even after we became allies.... You'r explanation is good Death, but you should at least have been able to stock up on crew over there, and maybe create penetrators and other ships (this of course depends on how much of the shipcreating things you actually brought with you from Vela to start with)
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Re: Syreen "special" encounter?
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2003, 03:56:38 am »

Is it just me, or were those 500 Syreen males among the 10,000 people still left in their species really lucky?  I mean, imagine...  the only hope for the survival of your race is to make as many babies with as many women as you possibly can.  This is an endeavour I would gladly volunteer to take part in.
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