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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2007, 07:37:19 pm »

Because travelling gods creation to spread the word of his glory is definitely going to kill off all religions?
Because I'd expect societies to be quite enlightened by the time they come up with the unimaginable thing that is faster-than-light travel, if it's possible. And so they'd already given up on superstitions. Cheesy

They are, in essence, denying themselves.
So you're basically saying Tolkien is Eru Ilúvatar? Tongue

Seriously, I don't see your point. Just because you make up a universe doesn't mean you're its god. It's just fiction.
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2007, 08:18:27 pm »

Still off-topic? Huh
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2007, 08:26:24 pm »

Because I'd expect societies to be quite enlightened by the time they come up with the unimaginable thing that is faster-than-light travel, if it's possible. And so they'd already given up on superstitions. Cheesy

Enlightened does not necessarily equal non-religious. There are plenty of moderate religious people out there working in high tech research facilities and other such "enlightened" branches. We might see some of the more extreme branches that cater to uneducated and poor fall off, but I don't see why there couldn't be religious persons abound in the future.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2007, 11:34:09 pm »

Enlightened does not necessarily equal non-religious.
Of course not, it just includes that. Tongue
(Because, in my view, one must dispose of one's superstitions before being enlightened.)

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There are plenty of moderate religious people out there working in high tech research facilities and other such "enlightened" branches. We might see some of the more extreme branches that cater to uneducated and poor fall off, but I don't see why there couldn't be religious persons abound in the future.
Sadly you might be correct. If the scientific defiance of gravity and the weak nuclear force didn't convice the narrow-minded that physics are God, perhaps nothing will.

But either way, I bet it won't be a religious person who will break the speed of light. Tongue

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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2007, 11:09:44 am »

So now this is a discussion about religion? Well, I do believe in God and even pray sometimes. I am not a true-believer.
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2007, 01:17:38 pm »

Of course not, it just includes that. Tongue

My title disagrees Wink

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(Because, in my view, one must dispose of one's superstitions before being enlightened.)

Ah, you were using your very own definition, rather than the common one "highly educated; having extensive information or understanding" that i'd assume is what is gernerally meant.


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But either way, I bet it won't be a religious person who will break the speed of light. Tongue

You think they are going to vet the test pilots for religious tendencies? That doesn't bode well for the future of freedom of thought in your future fantasy...
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2007, 09:02:45 pm »

So now this is a discussion about religion? Well, I do believe in God and even pray sometimes. I am not a true-believer.
1. Apparently.
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Of course not, it just includes that. Tongue
My title disagrees Wink
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(Because, in my view, one must dispose of one's superstitions before being enlightened.)
Ah, you were using your very own definition, rather than the common one "highly educated; having extensive information or understanding" that i'd assume is what is gernerally meant.
I meant you have to do that among other things.

You can interpret "having extensive understanding" as not being superstitious. Tongue In my definition of "enlightened", I would add "having an open, prejudice-free mind" and "supporting democratic values".

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But either way, I bet it won't be a religious person who will break the speed of light. Tongue
You think they are going to vet the test pilots for religious tendencies? That doesn't bode well for the future of freedom of thought in your future fantasy...
I meant the scientist, not the test pilot. Wink
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2007, 09:52:44 pm »

Of course not, it just includes that. Tongue
My title disagrees Wink

You know what I think of those titles. Tongue

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2007, 08:33:47 am »

I meant you have to do that among other things.

You can interpret "having extensive understanding" as not being superstitious. Tongue In my definition of "enlightened", I would add "having an open, prejudice-free mind" and "supporting democratic values".

You can intepret almost anything in many different ways. Your opinion is duly noted. I'm curious as to how having a religion excludes you from being prejudice free and supporting democratic values though. It would seem rather prejudist to assume to all religous people are prejudist, and anti-democratic to boot.

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I meant the scientist, not the test pilot. Wink

Vetting scientists for personal beliefs doesn't seem much healthier either. Especially not in your enlightened, non prejudiced society.

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You know what I think of those titles.

That they are an admirable result of debate and cooperation on the forum rather than an assigned entity by a solitary person based on his preferences in a subjective field? Wink
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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2007, 11:07:37 pm »

I'm curious as to how having a religion excludes you from being prejudice free and supporting democratic values though. It would seem rather prejudist to assume to all religous people are prejudist, and anti-democratic to boot.
The democracy thing was unrelated to religion.

As for prejudice - the way I see it, religion revolves around prejudice, e.g. the prejudice that God exists.
The Hebrew word for prejudice is "ancient opinion". Tongue

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I meant the scientist, not the test pilot. Wink
Vetting scientists for personal beliefs doesn't seem much healthier either. Especially not in your enlightened, non prejudiced society.
I didn't say they're going to be screened, I just said I'd imagine them to be secular. Undecided
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« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2007, 11:28:22 pm »

Okay, this is what I dislike about these forums, every topic ends up going into a debate about religion.

Seriously guys, what the hell? Can't we just keep to the topic please? Besides, NO one knows they're right yet, you're kicking that dead cow again.

To the author - Is it alright if we post our own designs onto this topic aswell? :p
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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2007, 07:27:18 pm »

Okay, this is what I dislike about these forums, every topic ends up going into a debate about religion.
I'm sorry, that was my bad. i keep forgetting on these forums that mentoning dietical order, even in jest, conjures up the veneral "oh yeah, that's what you think" every time.

I've already said my piece on ship and race design. But to get us on topic and repent of my past error I'll have to scan in some of my ship and character designs and post them here.
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2007, 09:39:33 pm »

Back on topic,
Sure, post your design, I would be glad to see them.
I have to announce that my game concept has failed. I have created an AI for the enemy ship and played against it, and I saw that my game just isnt fun enough.
What I was doing was taking start control 2 into the 3RD dimension and it didnt translate well.
I was doing that by putting the two spaceships inside an invisible 3D cube, and if a ship pass from one side of the cube, it will appear on the other (seamleslly of course).
You can even see your own space ship far away from the backwards.
But this conecpt failed because it was simply not fun enough, not fun like plain ol 2D star control.
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« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2007, 12:02:46 am »

Okay, this is what I dislike about these forums, every topic ends up going into a debate about religion.
I'm sorry, that was my bad. i keep forgetting on these forums that mentoning dietical order, even in jest, conjures up the veneral "oh yeah, that's what you think" every time.

I've already said my piece on ship and race design. But to get us on topic and repent of my past error I'll have to scan in some of my ship and character designs and post them here.

I tend to think now that people just look for that sort of opening in everything, just to start an arguement, sound intelligent, or otherwise be a fairly stupid gyke. Why should religion come into something like this? I know you actually mentioned it so it actually linked with the thread, but some people will just take it too far, IN FACT Star Control SUGGESTS that there is a Creator. GASP! Yes, the Supox claim that they must be evidence of a Creator, because even with their science, they can't prove how they're like they are. Also, the Arilou and Orz thing sounds similar to the Astral Plane and the Infra-Dimensions (The Orz being from the Infra Dimensions, the Arilou from the Astral and above), if you want to do research on it, be my guest, but like I said, anything to do with Religion shouldn't really be thrown into almost every topic on here.

What I do not like on here however, is the way that there seems to be no respect for another person's religion, but it's done in such a very bad manner, it's basically like "You're wrong because I don't believe in it and therefore it's not true" type of thing. It really ticks me off.

This is not directed at you in any way guesst, it's just I thing I've noticed recently around here...
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