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Announcing the Star Control expanded lore Wiki
« on: September 19, 2007, 07:28:32 pm »

    So I have all those brilliant ideas and theories about Star Control. So I post them on the forum. So people don't generally reply, whether they like the idea or not, for various reasons.
    Thus, I am proud to announce Here and Now...

    *DRUM ROLL*

    The Daedric Wiki of Biscuits!!!
    or... Oops. Looks like I'm going down the Golden Road.

    OK. Drum rolls!

    The...
Star Control expanded lore Wiki!1!!1!
Here, our ingenious attempt of expanding the lore will be stored for eternity!

This Wiki is about:
  • Interesting, Star Control-ly (and which do not contradict canon, even though, by definition, they add to it) additions to Star Control articles eligible for the Ultronomicon (what I mean by "only to articles eligible for the Ultronomicon" is that no new races, artifacts or plot are allowed unless required for your idea of an expanded backstory for a specific race. It is also not allowed to explain the mysteries surrounding the Precursors, the Arilou and the Orz, though more info on them is allowed, including what the Precursors looked like.)

    Use proper style.

    A good example of article is this one (don't use that embellished style though). A bad example is the current Androsynth article over on the Ultronomicon, as it contradicts canon (by stating, for example, that the Synth didn't care about aesthetics, when the manual clearly states that they did, and even more so, that they were very preoccupied about aesthetics).

    Some good places that should be explored first would be the subjects with little canon information available, such as some homeworlds or artifacts.

For additions more important than trivia (by trivia I mean, for example, what the Chief Groo's responsibilities are), it might be a good idea to post a summary on the discussion page first.
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I hope that my hope that you will join is not in vain!

We will include the Ultronomicon articles (save for gameplay-related ones) but due to legal compatibility problems between the Creative Commons Attribution license we will have to specify the names of the people who wrote that. It shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Announcing the Star Control expanded lore Wiki
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2007, 04:33:36 pm »

Okay, let me try and get this straight. Although the Ultronomicon already exists, you went out and made another wiki for Star Control? What's the point of that?
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2007, 05:17:16 pm »

Okay, let me try and get this straight. Although the Ultronomicon already exists, you went out and made another wiki for Star Control? What's the point of that?
I think Valaggar wants a wiki to fill with fan-speculation and other non-canon (but not canon-contradicting) material, unlike the Ultronomicon, which "is supposed to be an objective reference work", according to its Manual of Style.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2007, 06:34:49 pm »

You call it "Star Control expanded lore Wiki" here, but on your wiki you name it "Star Control wiki".
That will at the least be confusing to those who are looking for a canon wiki.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 07:04:31 pm »

You call it "Star Control expanded lore Wiki" here, but on your wiki you name it "Star Control wiki".
That will at the least be confusing to those who are looking for a canon wiki.
Ah, but that wasn't intentional in any way... I am sure I have filled in "Star Control expanded lore Wiki", but somehow and for some reason, the Wikia staff appears to have removed those two words... Besides, the main page makes it clear that not all the contents are canonical, and even links directly to the Ultronomicon.
In any case, there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in joining, so...
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2007, 07:33:46 pm »

Ah, but that wasn't intentional in any way... I am sure I have filled in "Star Control expanded lore Wiki", but somehow and for some reason, the Wikia staff appears to have removed those two words...
It sounds like a good idea to talk to the Wikia staff then, if you want to go through with this.

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Besides, the main page makes it clear that not all the contents are canonical, and even links directly to the Ultronomicon.
Not everyone would come in through the main page, and it would show up like "Star Control wiki" in search engines.

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In any case, there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in joining, so...
So...? Are you abandoning the project? As long as that wiki is there as it is, there is the risk of confusion.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2007, 07:50:47 pm »

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In any case, there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in joining, so...
So...? Are you abandoning the project? As long as that wiki is there as it is, there is the risk of confusion.
Ah, oops, I already have the Ur-Quan page... yep, you're right, looks like the problem ought to be solved.
(*issue reported*)

So, again, is anybody interested in joining?
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2007, 10:19:47 pm »

Not really. It seems like a bad idea to start with; "hey let's completely make stuff up and call it expanded lore for this game and put it in a wiki". Now, if it was organizing *existing* fanfiction/etc., that might be workable. Of course, you would need to denote all the parallel universes implied, since every piece of fiction is different from the other, generally, and there would be many contradictions.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2007, 08:29:01 am »

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Ah, oops, I already have the Ur-Quan page... yep, you're right, looks like the problem ought to be solved.
(*issue reported*)

So, again, is anybody interested in joining?

The title still says "Star Control Wiki" to me. You might want to adjust that for clarity. That said, I like the idea of a Star Control fan fiction site although I'm not going to involve myself in it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2007, 08:48:24 am »

Not really. It seems like a bad idea to start with; "hey let's completely make stuff up and call it expanded lore for this game and put it in a wiki". Now, if it was organizing *existing* fanfiction/etc., that might be workable. Of course, you would need to denote all the parallel universes implied, since every piece of fiction is different from the other, generally, and there would be many contradictions.
I don't see what's the big difference between creating content specifically for this wiki and using already-created content for it.

The title still says "Star Control Wiki" to me. You might want to adjust that for clarity. That said, I like the idea of a Star Control fan fiction site although I'm not going to involve myself in it.
I've reported the problem, not fixed it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2007, 08:55:17 am »

Here is some more material for your site.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2007, 09:12:08 am »

The SCexplore Wiki is not about fanfic stories, but about fanfic lore.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2007, 02:27:02 pm »

How are you planning to determine what gets in when people write conflicting material? The power of wikis is that everyone can edit. Yet, there's no objective standard possible for something like this.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2007, 03:58:27 pm »

How are you planning to determine what gets in when people write conflicting material? The power of wikis is that everyone can edit. Yet, there's no objective standard possible for something like this.
A good question. For now, I am planning to have new lore marked as such via a non-intrusive template, and after 30 days, or after the community agrees to do so, the template will be removed and the respective lore will be set in stone. During these 30 days, the community may alternatively come to the decision of removing the proposed addition.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2007, 04:53:18 pm »

The SCexplore Wiki is not about fanfic stories, but about fanfic lore.

Er, what's the difference? All those fanfic stories have come up with their own lore. Isn't that lore just as valid as anything you might make up?
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