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« on: January 30, 2008, 02:13:02 am »




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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 02:25:27 am »

I read Something Awful's debate and discussion section too much, so I'm a little burned out on the Hillary Clinton hating. After you see "shrillary" and "hellary" enough times, you just stop caring. Can't speak for anyone else here.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 02:59:28 am »

My local union backed Hillary in Nevada's Democratic presidential primary. I want to vote for her in '08. I'll probably vote for who ever makes the democrat nomination of which anybody is better than the republican candidates. I'm hopingI this will be Hillary.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 03:31:01 am »

My local union backed Hillary in Nevada's Democratic presidential primary. I want to vote for her in '08. I'll probably vote for who ever makes the democrat nomination of which anybody is better than the republican candidates. I'm hopingI this will be Hillary.

Why? I'm serious, why would you prefer her over Obama and Edwards?
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 04:10:43 pm »

Looks like Edwards is dropping out.

That being said, I will probably vote for Obama in the primary. Iím no Hillary fan, but I donít understand the fanatical loathing that Hillary bashers have for her.

My take on this is that - with Bush out - weíll be better off no matter who wins the election. How much better is really the question.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2008, 04:24:58 pm »

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My take on this is that - with Bush out - weíll be better off no matter who wins the election. How much  better is really the question.
What about McCain? He is a lot like Bush, only more evil. He even recently said that he would keep the troops in Iraq for a thousand years if he could and that he thought it was necessary. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2008, 05:23:48 pm »

What about McCain? He is a lot like Bush, only more evil. He even recently said that he would keep the troops in Iraq for a thousand years if he could and that he thought it was necessary. 

I think McCain would be a significant upgrade over Bush. For one thing, heís a military man and, unlike Bush, will actually listen to his military commanders. I donít think heíll start wars he canít win and put our own soldiers in harms way.

He also spent a good deal of time at the Hanoi Hilton, which gives him a huge amount of credibility in my mind. He knows what the troops on the ground face day in and day out and the horrors of life as a POW. Places like Gitmo will be gone.

Again, Iím leaning towards Obama, but McCain is an improvement too, IMO.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 06:34:07 pm »

A military man is not necessarily a wise man. But more importantly, he has a republican agenda to keep going. If he can gain enough support for a war which could help get republican backers more money, he'll do it. Just like Bush.

Also, while Bush lacks normal human brain functions, and thus relies on Cheney and Condi for actual decision making, creating a disgustingly demonic version of the Zoq-Fot-Pik [although their total intelligence quotient is still lower than three Piks screaming "Frungy!" repeatedly], McCain has a spark of intellect. This combined with fanatical support is not good.

Oh, yeah, Gitmo won't be gone. McCain might know what being a POW is like, but the people being actively tortured there aren't American soldiers, so he won't care. What he might do is cover it up a bit better.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 10:40:18 pm »

I don't really have to worry about USA politics, but if I'd live there, my vote would be cast on Obama. Odd how most of the people I know seem to lean that way, huh.
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My local union backed Hillary in Nevada's Democratic presidential primary. I want to vote for her in '08. I'll probably vote for who ever makes the democrat nomination of which anybody is better than the republican candidates. I'm hopingI this will be Hillary.

Why? I'm serious, why would you prefer her over Obama and Edwards?

Obama would be my second choice then Edwards. The only problem I had with obama was an interview I saw with him  on the Jon Stewart show. Unless I misunderstood what obama said, he mentioned somthing about looking into our " nuclear options" with regard to Iran. There is no military nuclear option with Iran in my book. I'm very anti-war, and was so even before Iraq.

Hillary has experience being a first lady and a senator. Plus I really liked Bill Clinton as president. Also, Obama seems more like an apprentice of sorts with little real world experience. I also believe Hillary is the best choice with regards to our medical industry here in the U.S.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 01:25:21 am »

OK THAT'S IT!!!

Clinton related badness:

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From: "Garry N. Ray" <gnray@nxi.com>
Newsgroups: us.politics.bob-dole, talk.politics.misc, nyc.politics,
    ny.politics, alt.society.conservatism, alt.president.clinton,
    alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.politics.democrats.d,
    alt.politics.clinton, alt.impeach.clinton, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
    alt.fan.art-bell, alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.conspiracy,
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Subject: Re: THE CORRUPT CAREER OF ALFONSE D'AMATO

dporter@magpie.com (David Porter) supplicated thusly to the portals of
heaven:

=>Get your facts straight.  There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
=>or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
=>in Whitewater.  Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's

Lessee....

Web's in the crowbar motel.
Altman "resigned" in disgrace.
Tucker is now plea bargaining with Starr.
Lindsey went underground.
Nussbaum "resigned".
Thomasses is outre.
Gearan was "transferred."
Hillary was subpoenaed by grand jury.
Vince is dead.

"Evidence" is determined by the court, not by ABC News or the NY Times
or the Washington Post. On the other hand, obvious conflicts in sworn
testimony are on the record, for all to see and hear, somewhat
transcending the notion of "evidence". But we'll give you the benefit
of the doubt and agree that - technically - there is as yet no
"evidence," as the trials have not yet begun.

Nonetheless, you might want to tape the following to your refrigerator
door for imminent review. Note that Web, while previously sentenced
for the "unauthorized taking" of client and firm funds, may have
plea-bargained his way out of the obstruction issues. Yet 18 USC 1001,
1502, 1503, 1505, and 1512 *do* call for some additions to this list
(Hillary, Thomasses, Williams, Ickes, et al.).

But you can't have everything, now can you.

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1995, The American Spectator

                            BILL CLINTON
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While president, discussed possible federal
jobs for Arkansas state troopers who had knowledge about potentially
politically damaging stories of Clinton's marital infidelity and
abuse of Arkansas Governor's office.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 201, which makes it a crime to
                        offer or promise "directly or indirectly"
                        anything of value to someone with the aim of
                        influencing that person's testimony under
                        oath.
 
Penalty:                Up to 15 years in prison, a fine, and
                        disqualification from any federal office of
                        honor, trust, or profit.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1622, prohibiting subornation of
                        perjury.
 
Penalty:                Up to 5 years in prison, $2,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While president, approved actions by White
House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum designed to circumscribe offical
federal investigations into White House aide Vincent Foster's death,
and directed that documents found in Foster's office be removed from
the White House and handed over to a private lawyer retained by the
Clintons.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to
                        prevent any person - here, the FBI and Park
                        Service investigator - from discharging the
                        duties of federal office.
 
Penalty:                Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to
                        conceal material facts in connection with
                        matters within the jurisdiction of a United
                        States agency.
 
Penalty:                Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit
                        obstruction of justice and obstruction of
                        Justice Department or Congressional
                        inquiries.
 
Penalty:                Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While president, had Vincent Foster perform
personel legal work at taxpayer expense.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Any of a number of statutes governing
                        employees of the White House and misuse of
                        appropriations, but in particular 31 U.S.C.
                        1519, prohibiting the creation of financial
                        obligations unauthorized by appropriations.
 
Penalty:                Up to 2 years in prison.  $5,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, used state troopers for
personal errands, to facilitate extramarital affairs, and to
investigate campaign opponents.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 666, which prohibits any state
                        government employee from stealing or
                        converting state property valued at over
                        $5,000.  (Theft of employee time has been
                        held to be a theft prohibited under Section
                        666.)
 
Penalty:                Up to 10 years in prison and a fine of twice
                        the amount of the pecuniary gain.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, named John Latham, chief
executive officer for Madison Guaranty, to a seat on the state S&L
regulatory board.  Also named Beverly Bassett, who had previously
served as lawyer for Madison, commissioner of the Arkansas
Securities Commission.  Bassett would later give Madison regulatory
approval on several of it requests.  McDougal would later host a
fundraiser that would allegedly funnel Madison funds to Clinton.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-52-101 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which makes it a crime to trade in
                        public offices.
 
Penalty:                Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which makes it a crime for a public
                        servant to solicit a bribe.
 
Penalty:                Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, extracted an illegal Small
Business Administration loan from David Hale's investment company
which went to James McDougal's wife.  The McDougals were partners
with the Clintons in Whitewater Development Co.  Mrs. McDougal
thereafter gave a portion of her loan to Whitewater Development Co.
The loan was never repaid.
 
Statutes Implicated:    15 U.S.C. 645, which prohibits making false
                        statements for the purpose of obtaining any
                        loan from the Small Business Administration.
 
Penalty:                Up to 2 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 371, making it a crime to conspire
                        to defraud the federal government.
 
Penalty:                Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1006, which makes it a crime to
                        share "directly or indirectly" in any
                        payment made in violation of federal laws
                        governing small business investment
                        companies.
 
Penalty:                Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1344, criminalizing frauds on
                        financial institutions.
 
Penalty:                Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-42-204 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which makes it a crime to launder the
                        proceeds of criminal activity.
 
Penalty:                Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While Arkansas attorney general, shortly before
becoming governor, received a 50-percent interest in Whitewater from
the McDougals in return for an apparently nominal investment.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which makes it a crime for a public
                        servant to accept a bribe.
 
Penalty:                Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
                ===============================

Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, pressured McDougal to retain
Hillary Clinton to represent his S&L in order to help the Clintons
financially.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which makes it a crime for a public
                        servant to accept a bribe.
 
Penalty:                Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, advised Gennifer Flowers, in
taped conversation, to state falsely that they had never talked
about her obtaining a state job.  ("If they ever ask you if you've
talked to me about it, you can say no.")
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1512, criminalizing attempts to
                        influence testimony.
 
Penalty:                Up to 10 years in prison, $250,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-53-110 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which prohibits tampering with
                        witnesses.
 
Penalty:                Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, participated in the destruction
of Whitewater files.  The McDougals, partners with the Clintons in
Whitewater, have stated that they delivered Whitewater's records to
the Arkansas Governor's mansion at the request of Mrs. Clinton.
Both Clintons deny receiving tyhe documents, some of which are
missing.
 
Statutes Implicated:    26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
                        destroy any record relating to the
                        "financial condition of the taxpayer."
 
Penalty:                Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, which prohibits the destruction of
                        business records with the intent to defraud.
 
Penalty:                Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.

                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While governor, benefitted from numerous errors
in tax filings having to do with illegal deductions, treatment of
capital gains, unreported income, etc.
 
Statutes Implicated:    26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
                        file a tax return that the filers do not
                        believe to be true and correct as to every
                        material matter.
 
Penalty:                Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.

                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  While president, engaged in cover-up activities
with respect to all of the above, involving, among other things, the
making of false statements about his role in and knowledge of the
various scandals, and conspiring with other to have them make
similar false statements.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to
                        prevent any person (such as Justice
                        Department investigators) from discharging
                        the duties of federal office.
 
Penalty:                Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1001, prohibiting concealment and
                        false or misleading statements in connection
                        with any matter within the jurisdiction of
                        the Justice Department.

                ===============================
 
Bill Clinton's total potential criminal liability: disqualification
from federal office, 178 years in prison, more than $2.5 million in
fines.
 
 
                ===============================
                ===============================
 
                       HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
 
Alleged Misconduct:  In 1985, as counsel for Madison, submitted
audit to state regulators to demonstrate that Madison was solvent;
four years later, after Madison's collapse, her law partner, Webster
Hubbell, attacked the bona fides of the audit in litigation in which
he represented the FDIC, calling into question what Mrs. Clinton
knew and when she knew it.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1014, prohibiting false statements
                        designed to influence "in any way" the
                        actions of federal financial regulators.
 
Penalty:                Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 23-34-108 of the Arkansas Code,
                        which prohibits intentionally false
                        statements regarding banks.
 
Penalty:                Up to 10 years in prison.
 
Statutes Implicated:    Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal
                        Code, prohibiting the fraudulent creation of
                        false business records.
 
Penalty:                Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  Participated with her husband in the
destruction of Whitewater files.
 
Statutes Implicated:    26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
                        destroy any record relating to the
                        "financial condition of the taxpayer."
 
Penalty:                Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
 
                ===============================
 
Alleged Misconduct:  Benefitted with her husband from numerous
errors in tax filings.
 
Statutes Implicated:    26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
                        file a tax return that the filers do not
                        believe to be true and correct as to every
                        material matter.
 
Penalty:                Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
 
                ===============================

Hillary's total potential criminal liability:  47 years in prison,
more than $1.2 million in fines.

                ===============================
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               BERNARD NUSSBAUM, WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL
 
Alleged Misconduct:  With Clinton political aides, circumscribed FBI
and Park Police investigations into Vincent Foster's suicide, and
gave Foster files to Bill Clinton's personal lawyer.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to
                        prevent any person from discharging the
                        duties of federal office.
 
Penalty:                Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to
                        conceal material facts in connection with
                        any matter within the jurisdiction of a
                        United States agency.
 
Penalty:                Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit
                        obstruction of justice and obstruction of
                        Justice Department or Congressional
                        inquiries.
 
Penalty:                Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.

                ===============================
 
Bernard Nussbaum's total potential criminal liability: 21 years in
prison, $25,000 in fines.
 
                ===============================
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            WEBSTER HUBBELL, ASSOCIATE ATTORNEY GENERAL
 
Alleged Misconduct:  As partner of Hillary Clinton inthe Rose Law
Firm, represented the FDIC in suit against Madison, without
bothering to disclose to the FDIC that Mr. Hubbell's firm had
previously represented Madison, or that Mrs. Clinton was a partner
of McDougal.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 208, which prohibits special
                        government employees from acting in matters
                        in which they or their partners have a
                        financial interest.
 
Penalty:                Up to 5 years in prison and a fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to
                        conceal material facts in connection with
                        matter within the jurisdiction of a United
                        States agency.
 
Penalty:                Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
 
Statutes Implicated:    18 U.S.C. 1007, which prohibits influencing
                        "in any way" the actions of the FDIC by
                        means of false statements.
 
Penalty:                Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.

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Webster Hubbell's total potential criminal liability: 40 years in
prison, more than $1 million in fines.


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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 01:26:21 am »

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LAND FLIPS
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From: Max Kennedy <mkennedy@iglou.com>
Newsgroups: alt.flame.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.elections,
    alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
    alt.politics.clinton, talk.politics.misc, alt.impeach.clinton,
    alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.usa.misc,
    alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
Subject: Re: Citizen Clinton

Michael Zarlenga (zarlenga@conan.ids.net) wrote:
: pyoung@serdp20f.cisein.org wrote:
: : > The Kennedy notes have information on numerous bank frauds that have
: : > been commited by McDougal and the Clintons, including a new one that I am
: : > unaware has been mentioned before.  The 25,000 that McDougal pocketed
: : > straight from his bank in a plane "flip".  In addition, knowledge of

I wrote the above paragraph, and also posted the Kennedy Notes (complete)
which I attached to it.  I re-attached the part about the plane in the
note proceeding this.

: Flipping is a term that realtors use to mean "property bought cheap
: and sold at a profit, very quickly."  This practice is popular in
: the realty business because realtors are the first people to find
: many "distressed" parcels that get put up for sale.
: It's not illegal, but it's unethical.

In the context of whitewater, it means bank fraud.  Attached to the
end of this message is an article on EXACTLY what is meant by land flips.

Its highly illegal.

: Flipping a plane probably refers to buying one very cheaply based
: on "inside" information, then selling it quickly and making a profit.
: Again, this is unethical.

Flipping a plane is my snide coment on how that plane and its receipt
kept changing hands amoung the same people that were doing the land
flips.  You'll note if you read the preceeding message that the plane was
actually part of a larger land flip itself.

What is illegal here is not the trading of the plane, but the fact that
McDougal sells the plane from his bank then pockets all the cash
himself!  This is HIGHLY illegal.

Max Kennedy
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                   How to Make $2 Million
            Developing a God-Forsaken Tract of Land
             Without Selling One Square Foot of It
 
When the media folk told you about Whitewater, they left out a
few amusing details.
 
So in a spirit of altruistic service and public education, I'm
going to let you in on the secrets of how to pull off a land
scam. Pay attention, because you've never heard this before.
 
  A. Real estate developing is more fun when you can borrow all
     your capital without having to pay it back... or even sell
     any land. So to get started, you need two friends: one an
     appraiser, one a banker.
 
  B. Next, you find some dirt-cheap dirt. Anywhere in the
     boondocks will do. In the Whitewater case, it was 230
     acres of land along the White River for about $90,000.
     (Some housing tract! It was fifty miles to the nearest
     grocery store.)
 
  C. Then you get your appraiser friend to do a bloated
     appraisal. Hey, what are friends for? Let's say he pegs it
     at $150,000.
 
  D. You go to the bank and get the usual 80% loan. [CN --
     e.g., 80% of $150,000 with the land as collateral] You now
     have $120,000, so you pay off the land [($90,000)], and
     you still have $30,000 in your pocket. You're on a roll.
 
  E. You pay $5,000 to subdivide it and bulldoze in a few
     roads. (Or if you know the ropes, you get the state to do
     it, as Bill did to get a $150,000, two-mile access road.)
 
  F. Voila! You now are the proud owner of a partly-developed
     luxury estate community. So you call up your appraiser
     friend again, and he re-evaluates it at a cool $400,000.
 
  G. You hustle back to the bank [run by your friend McDougal]
     and get a new 80% loan based on the new value. (Nothing
     out of line so far. An 80% loan is standard, right?)
 
  H. You draw up plans for some fine houses (which will never
     be built.)
 
  I. You get a new appraisal.
 
  J. You get a new loan.
 
  K. You make two or three phony homesite sales to friends. You
     shuffle the funds around among your shell corporations and
     bounce it back to your friends -- plus a little extra for
     their help.
 
  L. You get a new appraisal.
 
  M. You get a new loan.
 
  N. You do a "land flip," selling the whole thing to Company X
     for $800,000, which sells it to Company Y for a million,
     which sells it back to you for $1.25 million. (All these
     companies are your friends.) And yes, this kind of thing
     *did* happen in Whitewater and Madison. In fact,
     Whitewater figures David Hale and Dean Paul once flipped
     Castle Grande back and forth from $200,000 to $825,000 in
     *one* *day*!
 
  O. You get a new appraisal.
 
  P. You get a new loan.
 
  Q. Finally, your development corporation declares bankruptcy,
     and the bank has to eat your loans because the money is
     all gone, and since the record-keeping is so poor, nobody
     knows where it went.
 
But weep not for the bankers. You pay them nicely -- perhaps a
third of the $2 to $3 million you skim off. Weep for the taxpayer
who bails out their banks.
 
Which is to say, in the case of Whitewater, weep for yourself.
 
 
            -+- Does This Actually *Work*? -+-
 
Whitewater was just the first of a series, like a pilot for a
sitcom.
 
Using Whitewater as a prop, Bill and his partner Jim McDougal
milked -- by my rough estimate -- several million dollars from
the SBA [Small Business Administration] and at least five or six
banks and S&Ls, starting with the Bank of Kingston.
 
But their later ventures, bringing in Steve Smith and now-Gov.
Jim Guy Tucker, did even better. Campobello started with about
$150,000 in property and squeezed over $4 million in loans from
banks in about two years. Castle Grande began with $75,000 worth
of swamp land and cleared over $3 million. It never built
anything. The only human artifacts on it today are a few old
refrigerators and mattresses.
 
Why do I have information you haven't seen before? Because my
firm had $10 million in Madison Guaranty S&L, and I was thinking
of buying the Bank of Kingston. (I was already worth millions by
that time.) When I saw Kingston's financial statement, however, I
ran like a scalded cat.
 
And Madison was worse. You didn't have to be a Philadelphia CPA
to spot their money laundering, dead real estate liabilities
proudly listed as assets, huge amounts of 24-hour deposits from
brokers, and $17 million in insider loans. It was a nightmare.
 
Whitewater Development Corp. had at least an appearance of
sincerity. It even had TV commercials, starring Jim's
[McDougal's] striking young wife, Susan, in hot pants, riding a
horse. Another one showed her behind the wheel of Bill's restored
'67 Mustang.
 
But after Whitewater, the deals began dropping their frills like
a hooker in a hurry to get things over with. The RTC criminal
referral that Bill suppressed during his presidential campaign
cites such later corporations as *Tucker-Smith-McDougal*, *Smith-
Tucker-McDougal*, and *Smith-McDougal*. Catchy, eh? If it were
me, I would have called them *Son of Whitewater*,
*Whitewatergate*, and *Whitewater & Ponzi, L.P.*
 
 
                   -+- Short Report -+-
 
On their 1979 income tax, Hillary valued Bill's used undershorts
-- donated to charity at the end of their action-studded tour of
duty -- at two dollars a pair.
 
Plainly, we are dealing here with a couple that gives loving
attention to detail in matters of deductions.
 
As you may recall, however, Clinton has proclaimed over and over
that he simply "forgot" to deduct the $68,900 he claims he lost
on Whitewater. Commentators have been mystified by the paradox.
 
But it's no mystery to me. The reason is obvious: Bill didn't
deduct the $68,900 because he didn't lose a dime on Whitewater,
and he didn't want to do time for tax fraud. Period.
 
Jim McDougal put up all the money except for $500 -- and Bill
borrowed even *that*.
 
But weep not for Jim. Not only was he Bill's partner in
Whitewater, but he owned Madison Guaranty S&L, which was the
designated milk cow that provided most of the inflated loans.
Weep instead for the taxpayers -- like you and me -- who picked
up the $66 million tab when Madison folded.
 
 
           -+- The Paperless Office Is Pioneered -+-
                     by the Rose Law Firm
 
Will Bill and Hillary go to jail for masterminding all the land
deals that fall under the label *Whitewater*?
 
I expect they will [CN -- Don't bet on it.] -- not because of
existing documents, but because of the testimony of subpoenaed
people.
 
The few remaining documents will play a supporting role, but
frankly, friend, there aren't many left. According to grand jury
testimony: On February 3, 1994, right after Fiske became special
counsel for Whitewater, the nice folks at the Rose Law Firm fired
up their high-speed Ollie-o-Matic paper shredder and ordered
courier Jeremy Hedges to slice 'n dice his way into the history
books by destroying twelve (12) cartons full of Whitewater
documents. As far as anyone knows, Rose now has no more
Whitewater records than you do.
 
Actually, a lot of the usual documents were never created in the
first place. For instance, there was no written partnership
agreement (don't try this at home). No transactions were written
up, even though Clinton's real estate agent says there were
$300,000 in sales. No deeds were ever recorded. And if any
interest was paid on bank loans, the payment checks are missing.
 
Plus, after Whitewater, Bill got very smart and kept his name
completely out of every subsequent deal he cut. But the
Whitewater monies, probably several million, ricocheted from
shell company to shell company like the basketball in a Harlem
Globetrotters warmup drill, and every dollar wound up in the
proper pocket. Beneficiaries included many of the biggest names
in Arkansas -- like Gov. Tucker, Seth Ward, and some very
powerful executives from outfits like Wal-Mart and Tyson's
Chicken -- Clinton campaign backers all. (Campaign records for
1982 and 1984, the two most suspicious years, have also been
studiously shredded.)
 
And Bill, who entered public office with nothing but debts, and
who never made over $35,000 a year as governor, is now worth
about four to five million. A real rags-to-riches, American
success story, isn't it? Kind of puts a lump in your throat.
 
But there's one other reason for Bill's success. In a word,
Hillary. Prepare to be shocked as you learn...
 
 
          -+- Why the Feds Settled for $1 Million -+-
                   on $60 Million in Debts
 
You'll find this one hard to believe, so read carefully.
 
  ITEM: When Madison Guaranty folded, it was somewhere between
  $47 and $68 million in the hole. The tab has settled at $65
  million.
 
  ITEM: One of the biggest defaults was $600,000 in loans to
  one of Madison's own directors, Seth Ward, who is the father-
  in-law of Webb Hubbell. Webb happened to be Hillary's law
  partner and until April [1994] was the No. 3 man at the
  Justice Department -- and assigned to investigate Whitewater!
 
  ITEM: When the RTC cleanup crew took over Madison, Hillary
  had been on retainer to Madison [Guaranty S&L] for many
  months.
 
 
Got it so far? O.K. Now, the RTC lawsuit sought $60 million from
Madison Guaranty's debtors. But here's what happened:
 
  1. Hillary negotiated the RTC down *from* *$60* *million*
     *to* *$1* *million*. What a talker!
 
  2. Hillary then got the RTC to forgive the $600,000 debt Seth
     Ward owed the RTC -- every penny of it -- thus leaving the
     RTC with $400,000 [out of the $60 million owed.]
 
  3. But wait! Hillary did these two deeds *as* *the* *counsel*
     *for* *the* *RTC*, not Madison. Incredible as it sounds to
     those of us who have to live in the real world, Hillary
     got herself hired by the RTC, and in *that* position, from
     the GOVERNMENT side, she talked them down to $1 million.
 
  4. Her fee for the RTC job was (pure coincidence) $400,000.
     Which left the government with $400,000 minus $400,000...
     or in technical accounting terms, zippo.
 
  5. And who do you suppose was the mastermind who conned the
     RTC into hiring Madison Guaranty's own Hillary to
     prosecute Madison Guaranty? None other than the late Vince
     Foster! When he made his pitch to the RTC, he neglected to
     tell them about Hillary's retainer with Madison Guaranty.
     In fact, he even wrote them a letter stating that the Rose
     Law Firm didn't represent thrifts!
 
 
Vince and Hillary were, by the way, very, uh, close. Not only
were they partners at Rose, but there's no shortage of people who
saw them hugging and smooching in public. Arkansas troopers say
that when Bill took a trip on state business, Vince was often at
the mansion gates within minutes -- and would stay till the wee
hours. They also spent a few weekends together at the Rose
vacation cabin in the mountains. And when Hillary filed for
divorce from Bill in 1986, Vince was right there at her side.
(She withdrew the suit [later on].)
 
 
                -+- 178 Years in Club Fed -+-
 
Nobody ever accused Bill Clinton of being stupid.
 
As proof, look at the Congressional hearings. What a hoot! Bill
had them stacked so that fully 99% of all Whitewater crimes were
off limits!
 
This left our dignified Congressmen sternly chasing the remaining
1% of petty misdemeanors with hardly a mention of fourteen years
of felonies: shell games, killings, break-ins, coverups, threats,
bribes, thefts, check kiting, payoffs, arson, money laundering,
fraud, influence of testimony, tampering with witnesses, you name
it...
 
And Bill managed to focus 100% of the attention on [Roger] Altman,
[Bernard] Nussbaum, [Lloyd] Cutler and others, with none of it on
himself. You have to admit, that's pretty smart maneuvering.
 
In February, *The American Spectator* added up two pages of
Bill's alleged crimes, and the total potential penalties came to
$2.5 million in fines and 178 years in prison. And *they* just
listed the piddly stuff, like tax fraud and soliciting bribes;
they didn't even mention the heavier incidents I listed above!
(They did include a short roster of Hillary's much lighter
penalties, totaling only $1.2 million and 47 years.)
 
Is such punishment excessive? I think not. Even if you ignore the
mayhem, the Clinton economic damage has been severe. Counting
Clinton's Arkansas Development Finance Authority, which never
awarded a bond grant without a major campaign contribution and
Bill's signature, he sucked over a billion dollars from state and
federal taxpayers.
 
 .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
 
Please forgive me for sounding dramatic, but this is a dark day
for the republic.
 
I apologize for giving you such an avalanche of appalling news.
God knows, I've tried to keep my tone somewhat light, but I
realize that you are probably still alarmed.
 
Unfortunately, I must now go on to tell you about the impact all
this is going to have on your own financial future, and that
could be the worst news of all -- by far.
 
But unlike all the depressing matters you've just read, there is
a bright silver lining to it. Yes, I do think it's the darkest
day for the republic since World War II. [CN -- Guarino goes on
from here to state that "the troubles ahead" will ironically give
you a great opportunity to improve your finances. He tells the
reader to open "the enclosed envelope" which I, unfortunately, do
not have because I received this pamphlet from someone else.]
 
 .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
 
Footnote: I [Nicholas A. Guarino] serve notice that I am not
depressed in the least, and that if anything happens to me, I
publicly accuse Bill Clinton and his circle of power.
 
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 01:28:47 am »

White water FAQ removed By Amiga_Nut. Clinton related information is outdated.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 06:02:07 am »

Amiga_Nut: I'm not reading that. tl;dr - Give us a summary or something.



RTyp06: Hilary Clinton is a far cry from being the "experience candidate". I don't believe anyone is actually voting for her based on experience anyway. There's a better word for what her main appeal to voters is and it's called nepotism. If people wanted experience above all, they would have voted for Bill Richardson or Joe Biden.

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Obama would be my second choice then Edwards. The only problem I had with obama was an interview I saw with him  on the Jon Stewart show. Unless I misunderstood what obama said, he mentioned somthing about looking into our " nuclear options" with regard to Iran. There is no military nuclear option with Iran in my book. I'm very anti-war, and was so even before Iraq.

I saw that episode of the Daily Show and that was never brought up. He might have said something about 'keeping all options on the table' in a debate or stump speech, but you'd have to be retarded to think that any serious presidential candidate (Tom "Bomb Mecca" Tancredo does not count) would be serious about using nuclear weapons on Iran. It sounds to me like your union told you to vote for her and you didn't really bother to research anything yourself.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 07:00:43 am »

I actually was leaning toward Obama before the primaries began. But now I'm 100% Obama. The Clintons have just been playing dirty. Fighting to restore votes where the other candidates weren't on the ballot? Fighting to make votes count in a state she won but no one could campaign? Fight to stop voters in casinos after she loses the endorsement? Taking Obama's words out of context in attack ads? Then whining that he isn't playing nice when he goes slightly negative? Etc... etc...


Heck, Hillary's ticked me off so much at this point I might very well vote for either McCain or Romney if she's the Democratic nominee. (I'm a registered independent.)
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