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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2008, 03:33:22 pm »
Alright, look dude. My intention isn't to debate anyone. Irregradless of the thread title, people are popping in here and dropping thier opinions. That's all you and I did as well. Have a nice weekend.
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2008, 03:43:10 pm »
If McCain wins in the republican thingie next Tuesday, it would be a disaster to democrats. No doubt about that.

I've already seen at least reports and analyses that Hillary would have a harder time winning against McCain than Obama. Both of these analyses are in Finnish, thus I refrain from linking them.

This is not very far-fetched. Hillary divides people a lot. You see the effect here. And you can't really see people bashing Obama. Maybe Hillary supports your ideals, but in my opinion is not a winning candidate against the republicans.

Anyhow I've started to strongly believe McCain will win the presidental elections, mainly because democrats can't make up their minds.
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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2008, 06:40:55 pm »
Based only on the debate between pro-Obama and pro-Clinton in this thread, it would appear that Obamites are much better at debating at any rate.

As has been said earlier in this thread, as a foreigner I don't understand how Clinton can be so divisive. From a Finnish vantage point it seem really odd that one candidate can make peoples blood boil so bad. I think she gives off a "career politician" sheen, but other than that she doesn't seem that bad

Amiga, that gigantic list you posted is annoyingly hard to read. Have you got anything other than chain mails / newsgroup postings to link to about Clinton's criminal past?

Oh and Guiliani is out. That's too bad. Having him as your president would have been disastrous, but hilarious.
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« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2008, 06:58:46 pm »
Honestly I'm an American and I don't get it either.  I think the portrayal of Hillary as such a 'divisive' figure is an indicator of how much control conservatives seem to have over the dialog in this country.  Hillary, by our standards, is clearly centrist in her positions, right wing by the standards of the rest of the developed world, yet gets decried as a 'socialist' by the right wing here.  I think this has something to do with the wounded pride of conservatives that Bill Clinton was such a successful politician.  He too was decried as being wildly left wing when his presidency was extremely centrist and frankly lacking in significant positive action.  I think it all boils down to Republican scare tactics, and they are effective enough that even democrats are weighing their political options and wondering if we need someone else just because the GOP has such a well oiled propaganda machine specifically for dealing with her.
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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2008, 07:36:02 pm »
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Based only on the debate between pro-Obama and pro-Clinton in this thread, it would appear that Obamites are much better at debating at any rate.

I don't think that's entirely true to life. You only see the Internet where Obama supporters outnumber Clinton supporters dramatically. You know who else is popular on the Internet? Ron Paul. Take what those wacky voices from the Internet say with a grain of salt.

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Anyhow I've started to strongly believe McCain will win the presidental elections, mainly because democrats can't make up their minds.

McCain is really damn old, and would be the oldest president to take office if he won. That's going to hurt in debates when people see him stacked up against a younger, more energetic Democrat. I'm surprised to see him going toe to toe with Romney right now.
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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2008, 08:09:12 pm »
Quote from: Baltar on February 03, 2008, 06:58:46 pm
Honestly I'm an American and I don't get it either.  I think the portrayal of Hillary as such a 'divisive' figure is an indicator of how much control conservatives seem to have over the dialog in this country.  Hillary, by our standards, is clearly centrist in her positions, right wing by the standards of the rest of the developed world, yet gets decried as a 'socialist' by the right wing here.  I think this has something to do with the wounded pride of conservatives that Bill Clinton was such a successful politician.  He too was decried as being wildly left wing when his presidency was extremely centrist and frankly lacking in significant positive action.  I think it all boils down to Republican scare tactics, and they are effective enough that even democrats are weighing their political options and wondering if we need someone else just because the GOP has such a well oiled propaganda machine specifically for dealing with her.

This is a fair enough explanation I suppose. It seems very odd that so many people just come out and say "She is such a polarizing figure!1!1", but I've always put it down to my ignorance towards domestic american issues.

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I don't think that's entirely true to life. You only see the Internet where Obama supporters outnumber Clinton supporters dramatically. You know who else is popular on the Internet? Ron Paul. Take what those wacky voices from the Internet say with a grain of salt.

Are you trying to tell me that Ron Paul isn't the best thing since sliced bread? In regards to Clinton supporters, I was just jesting about this thread. There are quite a few Clintonians on the internet that make good arguments as well, they just aren't present here.
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2008, 12:00:06 pm »
The power of Makeup.

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2008, 06:58:50 pm »
And here I was getting ready to write something along the lines of "Oh good, we wouldn't want a president that doesn't look attractive". But apparently your selling point is just more bashing.

On a slightly more serious side, the democratic nominations are looking interesting (last I checked anyway). Who do you think will win?
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2008, 07:48:38 pm »
I think it'll be Obama.

Out of curiosity, who do the non-US poster’s here want to win the November elections?
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2008, 10:01:55 pm »
I don't really know much about the candidates (even though I should -- I'm not entirely "non-US" Lips Sealed), so all I can say is that I favor the democrats in general. Roll Eyes
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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2008, 02:06:59 am »
Quote from: Lukipela on February 19, 2008, 06:58:50 pm
And here I was getting ready to write something along the lines of "Oh good, we wouldn't want a president that doesn't look attractive". But apparently your selling point is just more bashing.

On a slightly more serious side, the democratic nominations are looking interesting (last I checked anyway). Who do you think will win?

For today Wisconsin has caught the attention of the nation as our primary is today (I just came back from the ballot box)--it is said that what happens here could be an indicator of what will happen in the key Iowa and Texas primaries and could spell the nominee.  Can't say much for the general feeling--I'm in the demographic generally favoring Obama and thus so is just about everyone I know.  I don't see any numbers rolling in yet.

As an Obama supporter my hopes were rather low going into the primary but things are starting to look up and I'm starting to get optimistic.  I was anticipating Obama having a slight lead in popular support but that Hillary would have a lock on superdelegates.  Apparently the latter isn't the case anymore.  If Obama maintains the momentum through the next few states I think he'll very likely get the nod.
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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2008, 07:30:59 am »
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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2008, 08:39:02 pm »
Quote from: alephresh on February 19, 2008, 10:01:55 pm
I don't really know much about the candidates (even though I should -- I'm not entirely "non-US" Lips Sealed), so all I can say is that I favor the democrats in general. Roll Eyes

Most foreigners, including me, will probably want Obama to win the nomination (and hopefully the election). The rest of the world is tiring of US imperialism somewhat and he is the candidate who is most likely to pull out of Iraq and least likely to drop nukes on Tehran and Damascus. From an international perspective Hillary is too tainted with Bill’s legacy of meddling in the Balkans and botching up Somalia and the middle-east. Also she voted for the move into Iraq. At least Obama is prepared to have a chat with the weirdo who rules Iran right now.

I have several American friends here in NZ (including my fiancée) and they’re all praying desperately for an Obama win. They’re all big travellers and they are totally over people slagging off America for throwing it’s weight around internationally. To them an Obama win means the US can begin redeeming itself as respected international citizen. It will be a long road back though. The Bush administration has done a staggering among of damage to America’s international reputation.

Either way Clinton can only improve on the last 8 years.

Anyway, go Obama!

What do the Europeans think?
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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2008, 11:19:27 pm »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23480254

The democratic race just got more interesting.
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Re: Hillary bashing
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2008, 08:32:47 am »
Having McCain already a shoe-in makes the Republican's jobs that much easier- they sit back and collect donations and gather supporters while the still divided Democrats continue to fight. Hillary's recent gains, a stay of execution of her political career IMO, shouldn't be enough for her to win, but she continues to fight Obama...

...and now I understand why after reading that article. She's trying to make him look like a party divider, someone that is purposely attempting to polarize the party to him, although what she did was utterly arrogant and in all actuality it is most likely her that needs to get on -his- bandwagon and bring the Dems in to circle the wagons and support one candidate. He won't agree to be her VP because he doesn't want to get his hands dirty with all the smoky room deals- doing so would remove his ability to say that he's a fresh look and has no inside connections.

The games people play...it's like watching a soap opera.
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