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I read Something Awful's debate and discussion section too much, so I'm a little burned out on the Hillary Clinton hating. After you see "shrillary" and "hellary" enough times, you just stop caring. Can't speak for anyone else here.
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My local union backed Hillary in Nevada's Democratic presidential primary. I want to vote for her in '08. I'll probably vote for who ever makes the democrat nomination of which anybody is better than the republican candidates. I'm hopingI this will be Hillary.
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Looks like Edwards is dropping out.
That being said, I will probably vote for Obama in the primary. I’m no Hillary fan, but I don’t understand the fanatical loathing that Hillary bashers have for her.
My take on this is that - with Bush out - we’ll be better off no matter who wins the election. How much better is really the question.
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A military man is not necessarily a wise man. But more importantly, he has a republican agenda to keep going. If he can gain enough support for a war which could help get republican backers more money, he'll do it. Just like Bush.
Also, while Bush lacks normal human brain functions, and thus relies on Cheney and Condi for actual decision making, creating a disgustingly demonic version of the Zoq-Fot-Pik [although their total intelligence quotient is still lower than three Piks screaming "Frungy!" repeatedly], McCain has a spark of intellect. This combined with fanatical support is not good.
Oh, yeah, Gitmo won't be gone. McCain might know what being a POW is like, but the people being actively tortured there aren't American soldiers, so he won't care. What he might do is cover it up a bit better.
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OK THAT'S IT!!!
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From: "Garry N. Ray" <gnray@nxi.com> Newsgroups: us.politics.bob-dole, talk.politics.misc, nyc.politics, ny.politics, alt.society.conservatism, alt.president.clinton, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.clinton, alt.impeach.clinton, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.fan.art-bell, alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.conspiracy, alt.activism Subject: Re: THE CORRUPT CAREER OF ALFONSE D'AMATO
dporter@magpie.com (David Porter) supplicated thusly to the portals of heaven:
=>Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay =>or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration =>in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
Lessee....
Web's in the crowbar motel. Altman "resigned" in disgrace. Tucker is now plea bargaining with Starr. Lindsey went underground. Nussbaum "resigned". Thomasses is outre. Gearan was "transferred." Hillary was subpoenaed by grand jury. Vince is dead.
"Evidence" is determined by the court, not by ABC News or the NY Times or the Washington Post. On the other hand, obvious conflicts in sworn testimony are on the record, for all to see and hear, somewhat transcending the notion of "evidence". But we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that - technically - there is as yet no "evidence," as the trials have not yet begun.
Nonetheless, you might want to tape the following to your refrigerator door for imminent review. Note that Web, while previously sentenced for the "unauthorized taking" of client and firm funds, may have plea-bargained his way out of the obstruction issues. Yet 18 USC 1001, 1502, 1503, 1505, and 1512 *do* call for some additions to this list (Hillary, Thomasses, Williams, Ickes, et al.).
But you can't have everything, now can you.
------------------------------------------------------------------ 1995, The American Spectator
BILL CLINTON Alleged Misconduct: While president, discussed possible federal jobs for Arkansas state troopers who had knowledge about potentially politically damaging stories of Clinton's marital infidelity and abuse of Arkansas Governor's office. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 201, which makes it a crime to offer or promise "directly or indirectly" anything of value to someone with the aim of influencing that person's testimony under oath. Penalty: Up to 15 years in prison, a fine, and disqualification from any federal office of honor, trust, or profit. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1622, prohibiting subornation of perjury. Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $2,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While president, approved actions by White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum designed to circumscribe offical federal investigations into White House aide Vincent Foster's death, and directed that documents found in Foster's office be removed from the White House and handed over to a private lawyer retained by the Clintons. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to prevent any person - here, the FBI and Park Service investigator - from discharging the duties of federal office. Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to conceal material facts in connection with matters within the jurisdiction of a United States agency. Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit obstruction of justice and obstruction of Justice Department or Congressional inquiries. Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While president, had Vincent Foster perform personel legal work at taxpayer expense. Statutes Implicated: Any of a number of statutes governing employees of the White House and misuse of appropriations, but in particular 31 U.S.C. 1519, prohibiting the creation of financial obligations unauthorized by appropriations. Penalty: Up to 2 years in prison. $5,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While governor, used state troopers for personal errands, to facilitate extramarital affairs, and to investigate campaign opponents. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 666, which prohibits any state government employee from stealing or converting state property valued at over $5,000. (Theft of employee time has been held to be a theft prohibited under Section 666.) Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison and a fine of twice the amount of the pecuniary gain. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While governor, named John Latham, chief executive officer for Madison Guaranty, to a seat on the state S&L regulatory board. Also named Beverly Bassett, who had previously served as lawyer for Madison, commissioner of the Arkansas Securities Commission. Bassett would later give Madison regulatory approval on several of it requests. McDougal would later host a fundraiser that would allegedly funnel Madison funds to Clinton. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-101 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime to trade in public offices. Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime for a public servant to solicit a bribe. Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While governor, extracted an illegal Small Business Administration loan from David Hale's investment company which went to James McDougal's wife. The McDougals were partners with the Clintons in Whitewater Development Co. Mrs. McDougal thereafter gave a portion of her loan to Whitewater Development Co. The loan was never repaid. Statutes Implicated: 15 U.S.C. 645, which prohibits making false statements for the purpose of obtaining any loan from the Small Business Administration. Penalty: Up to 2 years in prison, $5,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 371, making it a crime to conspire to defraud the federal government. Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1006, which makes it a crime to share "directly or indirectly" in any payment made in violation of federal laws governing small business investment companies. Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1344, criminalizing frauds on financial institutions. Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-42-204 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime to launder the proceeds of criminal activity. Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While Arkansas attorney general, shortly before becoming governor, received a 50-percent interest in Whitewater from the McDougals in return for an apparently nominal investment. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime for a public servant to accept a bribe. Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine. ===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, pressured McDougal to retain Hillary Clinton to represent his S&L in order to help the Clintons financially. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which makes it a crime for a public servant to accept a bribe. Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: While governor, advised Gennifer Flowers, in taped conversation, to state falsely that they had never talked about her obtaining a state job. ("If they ever ask you if you've talked to me about it, you can say no.") Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1512, criminalizing attempts to influence testimony. Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $250,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-53-110 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which prohibits tampering with witnesses. Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
=============================== Alleged Misconduct: While governor, participated in the destruction of Whitewater files. The McDougals, partners with the Clintons in Whitewater, have stated that they delivered Whitewater's records to the Arkansas Governor's mansion at the request of Mrs. Clinton. Both Clintons deny receiving tyhe documents, some of which are missing. Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to destroy any record relating to the "financial condition of the taxpayer." Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, which prohibits the destruction of business records with the intent to defraud. Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
=============================== Alleged Misconduct: While governor, benefitted from numerous errors in tax filings having to do with illegal deductions, treatment of capital gains, unreported income, etc. Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to file a tax return that the filers do not believe to be true and correct as to every material matter. Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
=============================== Alleged Misconduct: While president, engaged in cover-up activities with respect to all of the above, involving, among other things, the making of false statements about his role in and knowledge of the various scandals, and conspiring with other to have them make similar false statements. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to prevent any person (such as Justice Department investigators) from discharging the duties of federal office. Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, prohibiting concealment and false or misleading statements in connection with any matter within the jurisdiction of the Justice Department.
=============================== Bill Clinton's total potential criminal liability: disqualification from federal office, 178 years in prison, more than $2.5 million in fines. =============================== =============================== HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON Alleged Misconduct: In 1985, as counsel for Madison, submitted audit to state regulators to demonstrate that Madison was solvent; four years later, after Madison's collapse, her law partner, Webster Hubbell, attacked the bona fides of the audit in litigation in which he represented the FDIC, calling into question what Mrs. Clinton knew and when she knew it. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1014, prohibiting false statements designed to influence "in any way" the actions of federal financial regulators. Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: Section 23-34-108 of the Arkansas Code, which prohibits intentionally false statements regarding banks. Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison. Statutes Implicated: Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal Code, prohibiting the fraudulent creation of false business records. Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: Participated with her husband in the destruction of Whitewater files. Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to destroy any record relating to the "financial condition of the taxpayer." Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine. =============================== Alleged Misconduct: Benefitted with her husband from numerous errors in tax filings. Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to file a tax return that the filers do not believe to be true and correct as to every material matter. Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine. ===============================
Hillary's total potential criminal liability: 47 years in prison, more than $1.2 million in fines.
=============================== =============================== BERNARD NUSSBAUM, WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL Alleged Misconduct: With Clinton political aides, circumscribed FBI and Park Police investigations into Vincent Foster's suicide, and gave Foster files to Bill Clinton's personal lawyer. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to prevent any person from discharging the duties of federal office. Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to conceal material facts in connection with any matter within the jurisdiction of a United States agency. Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit obstruction of justice and obstruction of Justice Department or Congressional inquiries. Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
=============================== Bernard Nussbaum's total potential criminal liability: 21 years in prison, $25,000 in fines. =============================== =============================== WEBSTER HUBBELL, ASSOCIATE ATTORNEY GENERAL Alleged Misconduct: As partner of Hillary Clinton inthe Rose Law Firm, represented the FDIC in suit against Madison, without bothering to disclose to the FDIC that Mr. Hubbell's firm had previously represented Madison, or that Mrs. Clinton was a partner of McDougal. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 208, which prohibits special government employees from acting in matters in which they or their partners have a financial interest. Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison and a fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to conceal material facts in connection with matter within the jurisdiction of a United States agency. Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine. Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1007, which prohibits influencing "in any way" the actions of the FDIC by means of false statements. Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
=============================== Webster Hubbell's total potential criminal liability: 40 years in prison, more than $1 million in fines.
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From: Max Kennedy <mkennedy@iglou.com> Newsgroups: alt.flame.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.elections, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.clinton, talk.politics.misc, alt.impeach.clinton, alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.usa.misc, alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Subject: Re: Citizen Clinton
Michael Zarlenga (zarlenga@conan.ids.net) wrote: : pyoung@serdp20f.cisein.org wrote: : : > The Kennedy notes have information on numerous bank frauds that have : : > been commited by McDougal and the Clintons, including a new one that I am : : > unaware has been mentioned before. The 25,000 that McDougal pocketed : : > straight from his bank in a plane "flip". In addition, knowledge of
I wrote the above paragraph, and also posted the Kennedy Notes (complete) which I attached to it. I re-attached the part about the plane in the note proceeding this.
: Flipping is a term that realtors use to mean "property bought cheap : and sold at a profit, very quickly." This practice is popular in : the realty business because realtors are the first people to find : many "distressed" parcels that get put up for sale. : It's not illegal, but it's unethical.
In the context of whitewater, it means bank fraud. Attached to the end of this message is an article on EXACTLY what is meant by land flips.
Its highly illegal.
: Flipping a plane probably refers to buying one very cheaply based : on "inside" information, then selling it quickly and making a profit. : Again, this is unethical.
Flipping a plane is my snide coment on how that plane and its receipt kept changing hands amoung the same people that were doing the land flips. You'll note if you read the preceeding message that the plane was actually part of a larger land flip itself.
What is illegal here is not the trading of the plane, but the fact that McDougal sells the plane from his bank then pockets all the cash himself! This is HIGHLY illegal.
Max Kennedy ----------------------------------------- How to Make $2 Million Developing a God-Forsaken Tract of Land Without Selling One Square Foot of It When the media folk told you about Whitewater, they left out a few amusing details. So in a spirit of altruistic service and public education, I'm going to let you in on the secrets of how to pull off a land scam. Pay attention, because you've never heard this before. A. Real estate developing is more fun when you can borrow all your capital without having to pay it back... or even sell any land. So to get started, you need two friends: one an appraiser, one a banker. B. Next, you find some dirt-cheap dirt. Anywhere in the boondocks will do. In the Whitewater case, it was 230 acres of land along the White River for about $90,000. (Some housing tract! It was fifty miles to the nearest grocery store.) C. Then you get your appraiser friend to do a bloated appraisal. Hey, what are friends for? Let's say he pegs it at $150,000. D. You go to the bank and get the usual 80% loan. [CN -- e.g., 80% of $150,000 with the land as collateral] You now have $120,000, so you pay off the land [($90,000)], and you still have $30,000 in your pocket. You're on a roll. E. You pay $5,000 to subdivide it and bulldoze in a few roads. (Or if you know the ropes, you get the state to do it, as Bill did to get a $150,000, two-mile access road.) F. Voila! You now are the proud owner of a partly-developed luxury estate community. So you call up your appraiser friend again, and he re-evaluates it at a cool $400,000. G. You hustle back to the bank [run by your friend McDougal] and get a new 80% loan based on the new value. (Nothing out of line so far. An 80% loan is standard, right?) H. You draw up plans for some fine houses (which will never be built.) I. You get a new appraisal. J. You get a new loan. K. You make two or three phony homesite sales to friends. You shuffle the funds around among your shell corporations and bounce it back to your friends -- plus a little extra for their help. L. You get a new appraisal. M. You get a new loan. N. You do a "land flip," selling the whole thing to Company X for $800,000, which sells it to Company Y for a million, which sells it back to you for $1.25 million. (All these companies are your friends.) And yes, this kind of thing *did* happen in Whitewater and Madison. In fact, Whitewater figures David Hale and Dean Paul once flipped Castle Grande back and forth from $200,000 to $825,000 in *one* *day*! O. You get a new appraisal. P. You get a new loan. Q. Finally, your development corporation declares bankruptcy, and the bank has to eat your loans because the money is all gone, and since the record-keeping is so poor, nobody knows where it went. But weep not for the bankers. You pay them nicely -- perhaps a third of the $2 to $3 million you skim off. Weep for the taxpayer who bails out their banks. Which is to say, in the case of Whitewater, weep for yourself. -+- Does This Actually *Work*? -+- Whitewater was just the first of a series, like a pilot for a sitcom. Using Whitewater as a prop, Bill and his partner Jim McDougal milked -- by my rough estimate -- several million dollars from the SBA [Small Business Administration] and at least five or six banks and S&Ls, starting with the Bank of Kingston. But their later ventures, bringing in Steve Smith and now-Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, did even better. Campobello started with about $150,000 in property and squeezed over $4 million in loans from banks in about two years. Castle Grande began with $75,000 worth of swamp land and cleared over $3 million. It never built anything. The only human artifacts on it today are a few old refrigerators and mattresses. Why do I have information you haven't seen before? Because my firm had $10 million in Madison Guaranty S&L, and I was thinking of buying the Bank of Kingston. (I was already worth millions by that time.) When I saw Kingston's financial statement, however, I ran like a scalded cat. And Madison was worse. You didn't have to be a Philadelphia CPA to spot their money laundering, dead real estate liabilities proudly listed as assets, huge amounts of 24-hour deposits from brokers, and $17 million in insider loans. It was a nightmare. Whitewater Development Corp. had at least an appearance of sincerity. It even had TV commercials, starring Jim's [McDougal's] striking young wife, Susan, in hot pants, riding a horse. Another one showed her behind the wheel of Bill's restored '67 Mustang. But after Whitewater, the deals began dropping their frills like a hooker in a hurry to get things over with. The RTC criminal referral that Bill suppressed during his presidential campaign cites such later corporations as *Tucker-Smith-McDougal*, *Smith- Tucker-McDougal*, and *Smith-McDougal*. Catchy, eh? If it were me, I would have called them *Son of Whitewater*, *Whitewatergate*, and *Whitewater & Ponzi, L.P.* -+- Short Report -+- On their 1979 income tax, Hillary valued Bill's used undershorts -- donated to charity at the end of their action-studded tour of duty -- at two dollars a pair. Plainly, we are dealing here with a couple that gives loving attention to detail in matters of deductions. As you may recall, however, Clinton has proclaimed over and over that he simply "forgot" to deduct the $68,900 he claims he lost on Whitewater. Commentators have been mystified by the paradox. But it's no mystery to me. The reason is obvious: Bill didn't deduct the $68,900 because he didn't lose a dime on Whitewater, and he didn't want to do time for tax fraud. Period. Jim McDougal put up all the money except for $500 -- and Bill borrowed even *that*. But weep not for Jim. Not only was he Bill's partner in Whitewater, but he owned Madison Guaranty S&L, which was the designated milk cow that provided most of the inflated loans. Weep instead for the taxpayers -- like you and me -- who picked up the $66 million tab when Madison folded. -+- The Paperless Office Is Pioneered -+- by the Rose Law Firm Will Bill and Hillary go to jail for masterminding all the land deals that fall under the label *Whitewater*? I expect they will [CN -- Don't bet on it.] -- not because of existing documents, but because of the testimony of subpoenaed people. The few remaining documents will play a supporting role, but frankly, friend, there aren't many left. According to grand jury testimony: On February 3, 1994, right after Fiske became special counsel for Whitewater, the nice folks at the Rose Law Firm fired up their high-speed Ollie-o-Matic paper shredder and ordered courier Jeremy Hedges to slice 'n dice his way into the history books by destroying twelve (12) cartons full of Whitewater documents. As far as anyone knows, Rose now has no more Whitewater records than you do. Actually, a lot of the usual documents were never created in the first place. For instance, there was no written partnership agreement (don't try this at home). No transactions were written up, even though Clinton's real estate agent says there were $300,000 in sales. No deeds were ever recorded. And if any interest was paid on bank loans, the payment checks are missing. Plus, after Whitewater, Bill got very smart and kept his name completely out of every subsequent deal he cut. But the Whitewater monies, probably several million, ricocheted from shell company to shell company like the basketball in a Harlem Globetrotters warmup drill, and every dollar wound up in the proper pocket. Beneficiaries included many of the biggest names in Arkansas -- like Gov. Tucker, Seth Ward, and some very powerful executives from outfits like Wal-Mart and Tyson's Chicken -- Clinton campaign backers all. (Campaign records for 1982 and 1984, the two most suspicious years, have also been studiously shredded.) And Bill, who entered public office with nothing but debts, and who never made over $35,000 a year as governor, is now worth about four to five million. A real rags-to-riches, American success story, isn't it? Kind of puts a lump in your throat. But there's one other reason for Bill's success. In a word, Hillary. Prepare to be shocked as you learn... -+- Why the Feds Settled for $1 Million -+- on $60 Million in Debts You'll find this one hard to believe, so read carefully. ITEM: When Madison Guaranty folded, it was somewhere between $47 and $68 million in the hole. The tab has settled at $65 million. ITEM: One of the biggest defaults was $600,000 in loans to one of Madison's own directors, Seth Ward, who is the father- in-law of Webb Hubbell. Webb happened to be Hillary's law partner and until April [1994] was the No. 3 man at the Justice Department -- and assigned to investigate Whitewater! ITEM: When the RTC cleanup crew took over Madison, Hillary had been on retainer to Madison [Guaranty S&L] for many months. Got it so far? O.K. Now, the RTC lawsuit sought $60 million from Madison Guaranty's debtors. But here's what happened: 1. Hillary negotiated the RTC down *from* *$60* *million* *to* *$1* *million*. What a talker! 2. Hillary then got the RTC to forgive the $600,000 debt Seth Ward owed the RTC -- every penny of it -- thus leaving the RTC with $400,000 [out of the $60 million owed.] 3. But wait! Hillary did these two deeds *as* *the* *counsel* *for* *the* *RTC*, not Madison. Incredible as it sounds to those of us who have to live in the real world, Hillary got herself hired by the RTC, and in *that* position, from the GOVERNMENT side, she talked them down to $1 million. 4. Her fee for the RTC job was (pure coincidence) $400,000. Which left the government with $400,000 minus $400,000... or in technical accounting terms, zippo. 5. And who do you suppose was the mastermind who conned the RTC into hiring Madison Guaranty's own Hillary to prosecute Madison Guaranty? None other than the late Vince Foster! When he made his pitch to the RTC, he neglected to tell them about Hillary's retainer with Madison Guaranty. In fact, he even wrote them a letter stating that the Rose Law Firm didn't represent thrifts! Vince and Hillary were, by the way, very, uh, close. Not only were they partners at Rose, but there's no shortage of people who saw them hugging and smooching in public. Arkansas troopers say that when Bill took a trip on state business, Vince was often at the mansion gates within minutes -- and would stay till the wee hours. They also spent a few weekends together at the Rose vacation cabin in the mountains. And when Hillary filed for divorce from Bill in 1986, Vince was right there at her side. (She withdrew the suit [later on].) -+- 178 Years in Club Fed -+- Nobody ever accused Bill Clinton of being stupid. As proof, look at the Congressional hearings. What a hoot! Bill had them stacked so that fully 99% of all Whitewater crimes were off limits! This left our dignified Congressmen sternly chasing the remaining 1% of petty misdemeanors with hardly a mention of fourteen years of felonies: shell games, killings, break-ins, coverups, threats, bribes, thefts, check kiting, payoffs, arson, money laundering, fraud, influence of testimony, tampering with witnesses, you name it... And Bill managed to focus 100% of the attention on [Roger] Altman, [Bernard] Nussbaum, [Lloyd] Cutler and others, with none of it on himself. You have to admit, that's pretty smart maneuvering. In February, *The American Spectator* added up two pages of Bill's alleged crimes, and the total potential penalties came to $2.5 million in fines and 178 years in prison. And *they* just listed the piddly stuff, like tax fraud and soliciting bribes; they didn't even mention the heavier incidents I listed above! (They did include a short roster of Hillary's much lighter penalties, totaling only $1.2 million and 47 years.) Is such punishment excessive? I think not. Even if you ignore the mayhem, the Clinton economic damage has been severe. Counting Clinton's Arkansas Development Finance Authority, which never awarded a bond grant without a major campaign contribution and Bill's signature, he sucked over a billion dollars from state and federal taxpayers. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forgive me for sounding dramatic, but this is a dark day for the republic. I apologize for giving you such an avalanche of appalling news. God knows, I've tried to keep my tone somewhat light, but I realize that you are probably still alarmed. Unfortunately, I must now go on to tell you about the impact all this is going to have on your own financial future, and that could be the worst news of all -- by far. But unlike all the depressing matters you've just read, there is a bright silver lining to it. Yes, I do think it's the darkest day for the republic since World War II. [CN -- Guarino goes on from here to state that "the troubles ahead" will ironically give you a great opportunity to improve your finances. He tells the reader to open "the enclosed envelope" which I, unfortunately, do not have because I received this pamphlet from someone else.] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Footnote: I [Nicholas A. Guarino] serve notice that I am not depressed in the least, and that if anything happens to me, I publicly accuse Bill Clinton and his circle of power. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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White water FAQ removed By Amiga_Nut. Clinton related information is outdated.
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Amiga_Nut: I'm not reading that. tl;dr - Give us a summary or something.
RTyp06: Hilary Clinton is a far cry from being the "experience candidate". I don't believe anyone is actually voting for her based on experience anyway. There's a better word for what her main appeal to voters is and it's called nepotism. If people wanted experience above all, they would have voted for Bill Richardson or Joe Biden.
Obama would be my second choice then Edwards. The only problem I had with obama was an interview I saw with him on the Jon Stewart show. Unless I misunderstood what obama said, he mentioned somthing about looking into our " nuclear options" with regard to Iran. There is no military nuclear option with Iran in my book. I'm very anti-war, and was so even before Iraq. I saw that episode of the Daily Show and that was never brought up. He might have said something about 'keeping all options on the table' in a debate or stump speech, but you'd have to be retarded to think that any serious presidential candidate (Tom "Bomb Mecca" Tancredo does not count) would be serious about using nuclear weapons on Iran. It sounds to me like your union told you to vote for her and you didn't really bother to research anything yourself.
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I actually was leaning toward Obama before the primaries began. But now I'm 100% Obama. The Clintons have just been playing dirty. Fighting to restore votes where the other candidates weren't on the ballot? Fighting to make votes count in a state she won but no one could campaign? Fight to stop voters in casinos after she loses the endorsement? Taking Obama's words out of context in attack ads? Then whining that he isn't playing nice when he goes slightly negative? Etc... etc...
Heck, Hillary's ticked me off so much at this point I might very well vote for either McCain or Romney if she's the Democratic nominee. (I'm a registered independent.)
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