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Topic: Beating ilwrath avengers with the human ship, is it possible? (Read 8176 times)
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Lamoid
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I mean seriously, those thngs have frankly embarrasing amounts of health, are faster, and their flame thrower dealie obliterates the missles I throw at it. Let's not even get INTO those Slylandro things...
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Simon K
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It can be done, but it does require skill and a decent helping of dumb luck. There's a reason the Ur-Quan assigned the Ilwrath to watch over their human slaves; the Ilwrath Avenger is quite able to hold its own against the lumbering Earthling Cruisers and their slow nuclear missiles.
Perhaps a better course of action is to seek allies, before facing the Ilwrath armada head-on. The Ilwrath ships are very slow in Hyperspace, so a decently swift ship will easily be able to evade their patrols. In combat, their chief advantage is their stealth capability, which makes homing weapons mostly useless against them. However, simpler forward-firing weapons can be effective against the Ilwrath Avenger, especially since the Avenger is one of the slower and less maneuverable ships in the Hierarchy armada. Some of Earth's old allies possess ships that are devastating to the Ilwrath craft, such as the Shofixti Scout, Yehat Terminator and Syreen Penetrator -- the Ilwrath stealth technology does them no good against the Syreen song, as you can probably guess. The Ariloulaleelay Skiff can also be very effective against Avengers, in the right hands.
There are probably also aliens around that Earth never had formal contact with, during the War. Perhaps diplomatic missions into the territories of the aliens we do know may point you towards new, potential allies -- and maybe the source of the ever-growing hordes of Slylandro probes, whoever the Slylandro themselves may be.
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Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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Lamoid
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I have no idea how you knew I just got a message from Rigel but thanks, I'll give it a shot.
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Shiver
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Fighting the Ilwrath is never really required except for the busted one at the start of the game. So don't. Ilwrath ships also don't provide very many RUs after you blow them up. If you want to cycle through all the Ilwrath dialogue, play the game until you have an Utwig or Yehat then go on a killing spree in their territory. Either of those two ships can tear through multiple Ilwrath in a snap.
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Shiver
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Thing is, it's actually pretty easy (albeit dangerous) with a Skiff. Get the Ilwrath to chase, it'll start using its flamethrower when you're just out of range -- keep slightly out of range and use the laser. Stay a little to the side, and you'll hit a wing. The only thing that can go wrong is if you hit an asteroid, or get too close to a planet -- but then, as is often the case with Skiff combat, you're in trouble since a single hit will fry you.
"Pretty easy (albeit dangerous)"? In the same sentence that you recommend people learn to use Arilou as an Ilwrath counter, you also admit it's a bad idea. I don't think you should be giving advice out to casual gamers.
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« Last Edit: March 25, 2008, 12:28:50 am by Shiver »
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Yxo
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There is no good strategy for a player which has to fight AI avenger with cruiser. But I'll offer one: run away from avenger in that fashion that it will be near of line of fire, so it could be hit with non-homing missiles. And shoot. It you fail to pick proper angle and avenger is getting close, accelerate into its direction. It will damage you, but after collision you will be flying away from it and have another chance.
Utwig and Yehat ships are not accessible early in game. Effective (and simple) ways to fight avengers early in game:
Buy Fusion Blaster technology from the Merlnorme and install into Precursor ship. (Ion guns are not very ineffective)
Use Spathi Eluders -- a bit boring but playable.
Use Orz ships -- situable.
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Death 999
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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The fusion blaster is optional, though it speeds things up substantially. What you really really need is halfway decent speed and full turning jets, fire discipline, and patience.
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Waylander
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I usually find that the Thraddash torch is a ridiculously versatile ship. It can take on just about everything. Illwrath, Green Quans, Orz, Terrans, Druuge, shofixti, Mycon, Chmmr, Pkunk, Supox, Androsynth, Utwig, Yehat, Zoqfotpik, Slylandro. Most of these can't even hurt a Torch let alone take it out unless you are really unlucky. But yeah as I was supposed to be saying Earthling cruiser vs Illwrath (Avenger?)  not happening any time soon. Thats why we need Torches lots and lots of torches!
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Death 999
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If you're that into abusing the AI, then I'd suggest using Fwiffo; you can consistently get the Probe to run away from you for no good reason, and sometimes slip hits in in the process. Torches not necessary.
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Saros
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An Avenger can be beaten by a Cruiser. But only if the enemy is a computer(even on awesome difficulty). The best tactic is staying pretty far out of range and using your Nukes at the invisible ship. Accuracy and good aim are required. An avenger is slightly faster than a Cruiser, but with skill and smart uage of the planetoid the fight can be won.
Exceptions - unlucky meteor hits which push you towards the Avenger, or spawning very close to the spider ship in the start of the battle.
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