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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 02:57:21 am »

Just started doing NetMelee. Played two people, one of them was a beginner like me. To be honest, though, I didn't see a distinct difference between them and the AI besides the removal of some basic stupidity. They were good, very good, but I didn't notice a tactical difference.
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2008, 04:00:05 am »

Just started doing NetMelee. Played two people, one of them was a beginner like me. To be honest, though, I didn't see a distinct difference between them and the AI besides the removal of some basic stupidity. They were good, very good, but I didn't notice a tactical difference.

That doesn't make sense. You played Orz against my Chmmr, which is arguably the best match to highlight a difference between human and cyborg. It went pretty much exactly as described too, with Orz inflicting some damage but not really being able to stay clear of a planet-obsessed Chmmr indefinitely.
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2008, 04:05:09 am »

The tactical difference is enormous. The main difference is that the AI flies towards you, while human players fly away. That is one difference which has an overwhelming effect on the melee. Play a few more – you’ll see.

The makers recognised the limitations of the AI so compensated with 99% firing accuracy
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2008, 05:45:46 am »

Just started doing NetMelee. Played two people, one of them was a beginner like me. To be honest, though, I didn't see a distinct difference between them and the AI besides the removal of some basic stupidity. They were good, very good, but I didn't notice a tactical difference.

That doesn't make sense. You played Orz against my Chmmr, which is arguably the best match to highlight a difference between human and cyborg. It went pretty much exactly as described too, with Orz inflicting some damage but not really being able to stay clear of a planet-obsessed Chmmr indefinitely.

These other players didn't use the planet
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2008, 06:40:17 am »

Avatars are one of those ships that I find difficult to take down with a single ship, instead i usually have to sacrifice a Torch or something else in order to take down its sats. Once they are down most other ships can take them down fairly easily, especially the supox ship which slaughters a Avatar provided it has no sats. Ironically the Chenjesu ship is one of the few (for me) that can take a Avatar head on.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2008, 12:36:54 pm »

The best against an Avatar is a Marauder. You don't even need to think to kill every zapsat, then another ship can kill it. 7 Dreadnoughts/7Marauders can beat 14 Avatars in this way. (I haven't tried on a human yet, but the basic idea is to first use a Marauder to fry the sats and inflict as much dmg as possible, then use an urquan: launch fighters/ shoot at the Avatar)
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 01:25:29 pm »

The best against an Avatar is a Marauder. You don't even need to think to kill every zapsat, then another ship can kill it. 7 Dreadnoughts/7Marauders can beat an Avatar in this way. (I haven't tried on a human yet, but the basic idea is to first use a Marauder to fry the sats and inflict as much dmg as possible, then use an urquan: launch fighters/ shoot at the Avatar)

I've found that in PVP, Chmmr and Kohr-Ah tend to avoid each other. The reason for this is that Chmmr typically defeats Kohr-Ah, yet Kohr-Ah will obliterate all three satellites every single time. It's a bad match for both sides. Mirroring is more intelligent because Kohr-Ah vs Kohr-Ah is even odds, while Chmmr vs Chmmr leaves the winning side with their satellites. Squisher would disagree with me on this completely, but he hasn't played in over a year.
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2008, 02:55:04 am »

If they're avoiding each other, wouldn't the Kohr-Ah win just by shooting blades? The Chmmr has to get close to use its weapon.
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 04:02:51 am »

If they're avoiding each other, wouldn't the Kohr-Ah win just by shooting blades? The Chmmr has to get close to use its weapon.

This question must be some kind of bad joke.
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 04:09:57 am »

I'm saying, why would the Avatar pilot want to just avoid the Marauder? It's not likely going to win that way.
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 04:17:40 am »

I think he means avoiding fighting each other at all, rather than fighting and not getting close literally.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 04:34:33 am »

Oh.

Hey, I just realized that you're the first person I NetMeleed against! Hi!
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2008, 04:42:25 am »

Oh.

Hey, I just realized that you're the first person I NetMeleed against! Hi!

Hi! Although, I think I'm the second person at least because you played Shiver before me.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2008, 01:38:31 am »

No, I played you first
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2008, 03:13:01 am »

No, I played you first

Well, if you say so.
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