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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #120 on: February 13, 2003, 06:57:26 am »

Actually I meant for those questions to reflect what the Kzer-Za would be asking if they were to win their war and get back to business.

Which still leaves the question of how they would handle the Orz situation unanswered. =)
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #121 on: February 13, 2003, 05:27:53 pm »

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The answer is very simple: the Ur-Quan consider all other life forms to be so grossly inferior to themselves that they do not have the honor to participate in the Doctrinal War, which (by tradition) should only take place between Ur-Quan anyway.
Tradition? This is the second doctrinal war. In the first there was no hierarchy, and now it's only the second (20,000 years after the first one).
I wouldn't call that a tradition. IF they were to let all the Thralls help, then they must win, due to the fact, that nearly half the galaxy is under their control, and the other half is dead. Approximately half of their half Galaxy are battle-thralls, that must be thousands of races, regarding  the density of intelligent life in this region of space. Unluckiely, most of them are to far away to help the Kzer-Za (some even 20,000 years far away).

But I think, that due to the doctrin they must allow the Thralls to help. But i think the reason why this is not allowed is: NOBODY is allowed to kill ANY Ur-Quan, except the Ur-Quan themselves in their doctrinal war.

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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #122 on: February 13, 2003, 08:55:40 pm »

That is the best explanation I've heard so far.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #123 on: February 14, 2003, 12:26:07 am »

I agree, it makes much more sense than anything else.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #124 on: February 14, 2003, 04:52:38 am »

Just to add to the list, I agree too.  Smiley
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #125 on: February 14, 2003, 05:56:29 am »

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NOBODY is allowed to kill ANY Ur-Quan, except the Ur-Quan themselves in their doctrinal war.

The Kzer-Za are disgusted with the idea of inferior species killing their brothers? Makes sense. I think my topic has been answered.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #126 on: February 14, 2003, 12:29:21 pm »

Thank You all.
Too bad that this thread is answered and (probably) will die soon. (After all the "That must be the answer").

But it took quite a time to discover the answer.

BTW: The goal of both doctrines is to eliminate any danger for any Ur-Quan.  The doctrines to talk about Kohr-Ah or Kzer-Za protection, only about Ur-Quan protection.
Just to fundate my hypothesis.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2003, 03:27:11 pm »

Well, the question did come up about how the Quan would react to the Orz and other IDF beings if they had a chance... Well, the Kzer-za, we know how the Kohr-Ah react to the Orz... Maybe we could keep the thread going on that : )
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #128 on: February 14, 2003, 05:09:33 pm »

I think it's time for this thread to cease Wink every time I want to reply I have to load 200K of the previous messages below the edit box!!

So, to conclude, the Ur-Quan have a great 'weakness', so to speak, for honor. They are actually creatures of virtue.. They would never "cheat" in the Doctrinal War, and surely not kill their brethren using the help of other species. Don't forget they don't hate the Kohr-Ah, they're just have different opinions.
The Melnorme explain this:


Following the successful Ur-Quan slave revolt the Ur-Quan met to decide how to ensure their freedom. The Green Ur-Quan, who called themselves the Kzer-Za in honor of the Ur-Quan who triggered the revolt wished to establish the `Path of Now and Forever' which required that all other sentient species must become slaves of the Ur-Quan or be forever imprisoned beneath an impenetrable force shield.
Leading the opposition to this plan was Kohr-Ah, a charismatic fleet officer.
Kohr-Ah proposed a simpler alternative, the `Eternal Doctrine.'
Simply put, this scheme called for the systematic eradication
of all sentient life in the universe aside from the Ur-Quan.
Captain, if these positions seem to you extreme or unwarranted you must remember that the Ur-Quan had been unwilling slaves for millenia and that each of them had to remain in agony for years in order to defeat the Dnyarri.
The followers of Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah were all on the brink of madness but neither side would submit, and so they fought a bloody civil war.

The civil war between the Green Ur-Quan, the followers of Kzer-Za and their opponents, the death-dealing Kohr-Ah, lasted for decades. It is likely that they would have annihilated each other were it not for a chance discovery by a Kzer-Za -- a Precursor Battleship!
The vessel was huge, many times the size of the Ur-Quan's vessels. The Precursor ship sliced through the Kohr-Ah forces in days -- the Kohr-Ah were defeated. However in their victory, the Kzer-Za were humble they realized that there was a chance that they were wrong, and the Kohr-Ah were right.
Instead of destroying the Kohr-Ah, the Kzer-Za let them go
directing them to make their way through the stars, travelling against the spin of the galaxy.
The Kzer-Za would travel in the opposite direction
and when the two Ur-Quan forces met, they would fight again in a ritual combat with the Precursor Battleship given to the winner.


And to strengthen my point, if the Kohr-Ah win, you can chat with the Kzer-Za peacefully:


So... it is the human slave.
How strange. I would have thought your species was extinct by now. We have a suggestion for you.
FLEE! Run as fast and as far as your ship will take you.
..Flee!... before the Kohr-Ah find you!

"Why should we run away?"
Because you are doomed if you remain here! Our Doctrinal War is over. We, the Kzer-Za, have lost. RUN HUMAN!
..Because if you do not run -- do not find somewhere to hide and nurture your species you are extinct, and we, who have tried to protect you are now powerless to stop the killing frenzy of the Kohr-Ah.
Now the Kohr-Ah and their Eternal Doctrine have free reign in these stars.
The Kohr-Ah will visit each of our slave races, staying only long enough to ensure than not one of the species remains alive.

"So what happens to you?"
Human, days ago, I would have killed you for your insolence but now... what is the use? You and your kind will receive the ultimate punishment soon enough. I will tell you what you wish to know.
While the Kohr-Ah move through space, killing your neighboring species we shall remain here, guarding the trophy... the Sa-Matra.
When the Kohr-Ah are done with their dark business they will take possession of the Sa-Matra, and then we will part ways traversing the galaxy in opposite directions, fulfilling our doctrines and preparing for our next Doctrinal War.
Farewell human. I hope your species survives.


Also, while being sent to Ur-Quan space by the Dynarri, the Kzer-Za respond to you:
"Human. We Ur-Quan never lie. NEVER!
It is a weakness to lie, and as you haven't noticed, the Ur-Quan are not weak!"


We had a good discussion. Thanks everyone  Cheesy
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2003, 05:37:38 pm »

Gee, since i never let it come so far (not even in my first game), i never had such a nice talk to the Master???.

Interesting enough, they will move on and prepare for another war. Bad luck for the part of the galaxy where the Kzer-Za went through, cause they will have to fight the Sa-Matra to survive. And the Kzer-Za will possibly travel through meeting no-one. And then what?
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2003, 05:48:45 pm »

The galaxy is a bit bigger than the sphere of influence of either Ur-Quans. I'm sure they couldn't cover the entire "width" of a spiral galaxy.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2003, 08:10:18 pm »

Indeed - the kohr-ah swath of destruction fit in between utwig and druuge space. Lots of people left to slaughter (not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing... then realizes that the 'canonical' game ending probably does NOT involve the Kohr-Ah wiping out even the Utwig (the first ones they go after), let alone all the sentient life in the sector).
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