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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2003, 02:06:57 am »

What I don't understand is if they (Kzer-Za) had the Sa-Matra in their possession, why didn't they use it to defeat the other races? why raise a whole heirarchy and fight and blah and blah? aside from the fact it'd alter the whole plot Wink
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2003, 03:31:34 am »

The Kzer-Za take possession of it until they meet again; throught out this time (20K years?) the Kzer-Za could've used it to defeat other races, but not to annihilate them completely of course (that's the Kohr-Ah's ideology)..
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2003, 04:05:44 am »

Perhaps the Sa-Matra isn't good for anything except blowing huge amounts of sh*t up.

Maybe the work the Ur-Quan were doing required something as subtle(ha!) as a Dreadnought.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2003, 05:26:53 am »

you're looking at this the wrong way.

yes, from a purely military standpoint it makes no sense to not use the Sa-Matra.

But, think about it culturally.

Sa-Matra literally means "Great Trophy".  Think of the Doctrinal wars as the Hockey playoffs and the Sa-Matra is the Stanley cup.

The whole point of the wars was to see which doctrine, in and of itself, was superior.  Obviously using the Sa-Matra would tip the balance and make the side using it win.  Thus, if they had used it the contest wouldn't be valid.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2003, 02:04:49 pm »

In the end of the war Kzer-za DID USE sa-matra against the alliance.
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2003, 12:37:31 am »

Essentially, the Kzer-Za didn't need to gather battle thralls but rather just use the Sa-Matra if they wanted any race defeated. Or is that true? perhaps the Sa-Matra really is only good for mass-destruction, since in the end you can beat it with one Fury.. hmm!
You're saying the Kzer-Za used the Sa-Matra to defeat the Alliance in the end? I don't recall that.. does Commander Hayes tell you about it?
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2003, 12:52:58 am »

I don't remember exactly who says it, but the Ur-Quan pulled out the Sa-Matra about when the alliance was down to the Chenjesu and MM (can't spell their name) because the Hierarchy was taking a lot of casualties against them.

On an unrelated note, the Kohr-Ah probably would've done the same thing against the Utwig and Supox if they had ever tried attacking them before the Doctrinal War because the Utwig/Supox are (I imagine) roughly as powerful as the Chenjesu/MM.
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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2003, 01:45:06 am »

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I believe you're told the Human flagships were all destroyed by the Sa-Matra.


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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2003, 01:48:29 am »

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You're saying the Kzer-Za used the Sa-Matra to defeat the Alliance in the end? I don't recall that.. does Commander Hayes tell you about it?


IIRC, it was used against the chenjesu fleet and this is told to you by the chmmr.
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2003, 05:52:52 am »

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Oh, and mstr, you are a total idiot, and don't know what you're talking about.

I'd have to agree with NEMT. "stfu" is something little kids say to each other on games like Counterstrike or Starcraft. If you want to act like that, don't come here at all.
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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2003, 12:56:26 pm »

I just don't understand.  Where did that come from?
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2003, 08:28:36 pm »

IIRC, the Chenjesu tell you about the Sa-matra, saying "It destroyed our ten finest broodhome warships from OUTSIDE OF THEIR WEAPONS RANGE" (emphasis added)

I don't think I need to remind everyone that the broodhome has unlimited weapons range in melee - so this must be a bombardment attack on scale long enough that it doesn't count as melee. Which would explain the asteroid shield - its short range defenses are weaker than those they installed.
(I know, some of you have said things like this - I'm just reiterating)
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2003, 09:25:54 pm »

I never understood something about the Sa-Matra... I mean, what is it's real power?  If it can blow away ships from whatever distance it is (obviously farther than the endless range of the Chenjesu's shots), then why doesn't it just blow away your ships when you approach the deivce to attack it?  To me, I never truly gripped the importance of the Sa-Matra, and while I think it has its Death Star-esque appeal as a symbollic destruction of the Hierarchy, it seemed to me that the Dreadnoughts and Marauders were perfectally capable of wiping out fleets on their own without the device's help.  To me, the Sa-Matra never made much sense...
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2003, 10:14:51 pm »

Who knows how powerful the Sa-Matra is at melee range? When you fight it, it's offline. The fireballs, green bouncers, and the rock barrier were built by the Ur-Quan to prevent it from being sabotaged. There is no way you'd be able to defeat the Sa-Matra if it were being actively used against you. There's no actual proof of this in the game, but I always assumed it to be true.
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Re: Why aren't battle thralls fighting the Kohr-Ah
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2003, 12:03:10 am »

The Sa-Matra was guarded by many ships during the resolution of the Kzer-Za Kohr-Ah war. The Sa-Matra's location is "hidden" and guarded by supposedly infinite number of Ur-Quan ships, but the Talking Pet helps you to distract those ships. In other words, the Sa-Matra is actually not active while the Kohr-Ah and Kzer-Za are fighting, and the only reason you weren't incinerated by its awesome power is because you (supposedly) approached it without the Ur-Quan's knowledge plus the Talking Pet helped.
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