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Awesome Cyborg
« on: September 09, 2008, 12:21:43 am »

Here is a list of matchups where you can beat the awesome cyborg.  The list is incomplete, but still interesting.

All of the matchups start with full health for the CP, as well as full battery.


Androsynth vs. Everything

Arilou vs. Everything except Yehat

Chenjesu vs. Everything

Chmmr vs. Everything

Druuge vs. Everything except Kohr-Ah, Utwig, Yehat and Slylandro

Earthling vs. Everything except Chmmr and Yehat

Ilwrath vs. Everything

Kohr-Ah vs. Everything

Melnorme vs. Everything

Mmrnmhrm vs. Earthling
Mmrnmhrm vs. Orz
Mmrnmhrm vs. Pkunk
Mmrnmhrm vs. Melnorme
Mmrnmhrm vs. Mycon
Mmrnmhrm vs. Chenjesu
Mmrnmhrm vs. Druuge

Mycon vs. Androsynth
Mycon vs. Mycon
Mycon vs. Melnorme
Mycon vs. Druuge
Mycon vs. Shofixti
Mycon vs. Orz
Mycon vs. Chenjesu
Mycon vs. Mmrnmhrm
Mycon vs. Arilou

Orz vs. Everything

(No exploding)
Shofixti vs. Spathi

Slylandro vs. Mycon
Slylandro vs. Shofixti
Slylandro vs. Arilou
Slylandro vs. Pkunk
Slylandro vs. Mmrnmhrm
Slylandro vs. Orz
Slylandro vs. Androsynth
Slylandro vs. Druuge
Slylandro vs. Melnorme
Slylandro vs. Earthling

Thraddash vs. Earthling

VUX vs. ZoqFot
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 04:28:35 am »

A more succinct list would be the matchups you can't win against the awesome cyborg.  Wink
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 07:55:06 am »

And a better way to arrange the matchups would be in tabular format.
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 10:15:57 am »

I win Yehat with Mycon pretty consistantly . Run from Yehat till you fill your crew and battery to max . From near complete stop let Yehat approach and accelerate  into it , so only one side of Yehat's cannons hits you . When you bump into Yehat , release both plasmoids , Yehat should be dead .
Mycon VS Spathi is a clean win - you use Spathi tactics at attacking Spathi and it dies .
Overall , versus the cyborg , you can win consistantly almoust anything , except Chmmr , Kohr-Ah and Utwig . Don't think i played Mycon against Slylandro though , need to see how it goes .

EDIT - Slylandro is easy .
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 06:45:02 pm »

ZooFot can consistently beat Chmmr.  Just takes a little while to knock all the sats off.
ZooFot is also the best ship for dispatching Mycon...don't even have to fire shot if you don't want to.
Druuge beats Yehat pretty easily. 


I'm not sure what Earthling can do to consistently beat the Sylandro... maybe win the odd match with a little luck.
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2008, 09:19:13 pm »

Supox beats Chmmr easilly , though it takes some time .
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2008, 06:27:46 am »

Supox beats Chmmr easilly , though it takes some time .

Supox can also easily beat Kohr-Ah and Ur-Quan. Defeating the Kohr-Ah involves lots of precision and skill and timely use of the strafing.
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2008, 07:36:04 pm »

I think a better metric for this would be looking at how the AI plays against itself. If you introduce a human player into the equation a bunch of other stuff comes into play that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how the AI behaves, however, looking at how the AI plays against itself, you notice much more obvious flaws (for instance, the AI doesn't grok the Mmrnmhrm X-From at all, and is much to focused on picking up extra crew when playing as Syreen, and the AI really doesn't seem to be able to wrap its head around fighting Avengers) which can't just be attributed to the human player using a more adaptable/intelligent play style.
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2008, 10:55:33 pm »

Chen was in IRC when he posted this embarrassing topic. I told him ask to Meep-Eep to delete this thread before too many people saw it but he didn't listen. At least he had the sense to clean up the first post with liberal application of the phrase "vs everything".


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Overall , versus the cyborg , you can win consistantly almoust anything , except Chmmr , Kohr-Ah and Utwig . Don't think i played Mycon against Slylandro though , need to see how it goes .

There are very few impossible match-ups against the cyborg. Anything can beat Kohr-Ah. I haven't put Umgah vs Kohr-Ah into practice, but EP seems to think that one is possible. Chmmr has a few impossible ones, obviously. Not sure about Utwig.


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I think a better metric for this would be looking at how the AI plays against itself.

The AI is already stupid, why would you want to watch it be stupid against itself?
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 07:58:36 pm »

Well it's certainly not because I'm an extremely boring person, nope, no sir. >.>
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2008, 10:36:54 pm »

Well here's what I can never beat with an Earthling (assuming enemy has full crew)
Chmmr
Yehat
Ilwrath
Androsynth
While it's theoretically possible, I rarely win against an Utwig, Slylandro or Kohr-Ah. A lot of it has to do with whether or not you get a gravity whip.

I find Arilou vs. Yehat very difficult. vs. Chenjesu is challenging and vs. Chmmr is basically impossible for me, though I've read peopel can do it.

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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2008, 10:42:57 pm »

Because of the way the game is set up, with asteroids and the planet, there should never be an impossible match-up for any two ships. 
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2008, 02:42:16 am »

Because of the way the game is set up, with asteroids and the planet, there should never be an impossible match-up for any two ships. 
Wrong. No asteroid can knock a Chmmr into the planet unless it's already flying pretty close. No sane (full crew) Chmmr will lose to an Earthling. (Admittedly, the AI isn't sane.)
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2008, 06:50:17 am »

Wrong. No asteroid can knock a Chmmr into the planet unless it's already flying pretty close. No sane (full crew) Chmmr will lose to an Earthling. (Admittedly, the AI isn't sane.)

I never said anything about asteroids knocking ships into the planet. That's pretty unlikely with any big ship. I mentioned asteroids and the planet just to show that any ship can be deviated from its course slightly by an asteroid, and any ship can hit the planet or use it for a gravity whip. Saying that a "sane" (don't know what exactly that means) full crew Chmmr "will lose" (meaning 100% of the time) to an Earthling is pretty ridiculous. Even if the chances are a billion to one that the best Chmmr pilot hits the planet 40 times and the Cruiser pilot avoids the attack using a gravity whip or asteroids, it's still a chance. There shouldn't ever be an impossibility.
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Re: Awesome Cyborg
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2008, 12:26:19 pm »



BLACK CAN LOSE

MAYBE HE'LL, LIKE, ACCIDENTALLY RESIGN OR SOMETHING
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