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« on: January 23, 2003, 02:32:33 pm »

Why didnt't the Ur-Quan conquer the Druuge?

They have conquered the Mycon.... (although they came by their own will to the hierarchy). And the powerfull advertising beacons of the Druuge must have picked up some Attention... And the Druuge weren't that hard to fight with an Ur-Quan.

What interests me more is, how would the Druuge-society look like? Slaves they are already. But now they are merchants, not warriors. At least I'm quite sure they would choose the battle-thrall option.
What would have happened with the Crimson Corporation? The new owners of thet Corporation would be the Ur-Quan bureaucracy.

Would the new owners fire the executive comittee???
That would be cool, regarding the way the Druuge handle fired Druuges. (You're not allowed to breath, since the air belongs to the Crimson Corporation). That way the Ur-Quan do not have to get rid of the old leaders of the Druuge. they take care of that themselves.

Just some thoughts....
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2003, 06:23:56 pm »

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IIRC this is explained in the plot.  The Kzer-Za don't fly around landing on every world looking for races to enslave, they only check out suspected leads.  The Druuge tricked some other race into their fate.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2003, 09:00:34 pm »

Yes, that's true. But the Kohr-Ah arrive a little later than the Kzer-Za. And the Kohr-Ah are flying towards Druuge space after the destruction of the Gg (not from this region of space), due to the immense powerful advertising hyperwave broadcasts the Druuge are sending in each direction. The Kohr-Ah conly change direction towards the Burvixes, because the Druuge set up a Hyperwave caster right next to their homeworld.
Since the Kzer-Za arrived a little bit earlier than the Kohr-Ah to this region of space, they must have listened to the commercials and thus they must have known of the Druuge. Especially since they "enslaved" the Mycon so early in their war with the alliance.
The Kohr-Ah arrived after the war alliance<->hierarchy.
Therefor the Kzer-Za should have subjugated the Druuge.

What's most interesting to me: how would the Druuge change their society. They are slaves already. Would the Kzer-Za simply kill the Druuge-leaders (and thus the executive commitee of the crimson corporation) or would they "steal" the crimson corporation and declare themselves as new owners of the crimson corporation?

Just some theoretical ideas....
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2003, 09:10:08 pm »

The Kzer-Za travelled in the opposite direction (counter-spinwise (and thus counter-clockwise from the from the galactic core).
As for the Mycon, they volunteered to join the Kzer-Za.

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Re: Druuge
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2003, 09:16:43 pm »

Yeah. Maybe the Kzer-Za did not travel far enough to find the Druuge. But since not only the Kohr-Ah searched for transmission, but also the Kzer-Za, the Kzer-Za must have found the advertisements the Druuge casted everywhere. But that doesn't bother me. They are needed for the plot of the game, and therefor the Druuge are free.

What's interesting me: Would the bureaucracy of the Kzer-Za choose the normal way after conquering a race (killing most leaders and assigning randomly chosen new ones) or would they make an "hostile takeover" of the crimson corporation and firing the executive commitee, which will lead to the death of the current leaders of the Druuge (they are not allowed to breath air anymore). This way the Druuge would become "willing" slaves of the Ur-Quan, since the Druuge are owned by the crimson corporation and thus they are already slaves.....
Would there be more changes in the social structure of the druuge?
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2003, 10:03:12 pm »

I think the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za's callous disrespect for other races would keep them from performing a hostile takeover of the Crimson Corporation.  In order to manipulation the Druuge like that, the Kzer-Za would have to play by the Druuge's rules.  This coming from a race that refuses to even TALK to other races without their commands going through an impersonal interpreter.  No, the Kzer-Za are so convinced of their strength that they would treat the Druuge exactly how they treated everyone else, possibly destroying their society in the process.  What do they care?  It's like you trying to learn about ant society in order to get rid of the anthill in your yard.  You wouldn't do that, you'd just spray 'em.

The hostile takeover of the Crimson Corporation seems more a Ploxis sort of plot.
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2003, 02:29:54 am »

Hmm, I think that Kzer-za have strong control in government of slave races, and they probably just dictate the rules of society, while slaves do what they are told to.

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Re: Druuge
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2003, 02:38:55 am »

"But you do not acknowledge your own worst enemy, yourselves. We have found dead worlds without number, planets ravaged by atomic fire or gaian collapse. These planets were not rendered sterile by outside forces. They bear sad testament to the effects of unrestrained instinct and emotion or simple ignorance. We will prevent such mistakes."  

I think you're right, but they're not trying to prevent those mistakes by playing YOUR game.  They're trying to prevent those mistakes by forcing you to play THEIR game.  And if you won't--annihilation.  It's an easy choice.
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2003, 01:58:40 pm »

Actually, the more i think about it: probably the Druuge are slaves of the Ur-Quan already.... Their society wouldn't change by the Ur-Quan killing their leaders and assigning randomly chosen new ones. The Druuge just recognized, that they are still owned by the Crimson Corporation and just don't tell around, that the Ur-Quan are the owners of this Crimson Corporation. They just adopted their ways of life to the life they've lived since a long time........


Okay, it's just a theory. And it would be more a Ploxis style of ruling. Although the Ploxis wouldn't be able to kill enough Maulers for the Druuge leaders to accept their surrender and hostile takeover.
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2003, 06:37:47 pm »

Heh, I like that theory.  The Kzer-Za are the chair persons of the Crimson Corporation Wink  It would be a very subtle way of controlling the Druuge!  Grin

I also like the idea that the Kzer-Za have Battle thralls we still didn't know about....  especially in other parts of the galaxy.  Just like we didn't know about the Thraddash in SC1.

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Re: Druuge
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2003, 06:54:04 pm »

I think that there's a big enough gap between the druuge and the mycon territories that their widely cast advertising campaign might not have caught their notice. Especially since it would have been the MYCON listening. Really - they aren't the most perceptive.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2003, 07:30:26 pm »

Maybe the Mycon are not perceptive.
But the gap between the Druuge space and the place the Burvixese were living ain't bigger. And the Melnorme tell you that the Burvixese and the Druuge had contact (through hyperwave transmissions - the last transmission from the Burvixese was meant for the Druuge).

And advertisements meant for Aliens barely leaving Druuge space does not seem very natural for me.

I ask myself: How did the Chenjesu live with their natural hyperwave receivers constantly receiving commercials? Tongue
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2003, 07:25:10 pm »

actually, the reason they didn't enslave the Mael-Num is that while they were busy fightning hte Kor-ah the Mael-Num dissappeared!

Also, the Mauler is very useful against certain ships, like the Avatar.
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2003, 01:56:18 am »

I figure that the Kzer-Za just didn't get all the way to the Druuge. They enslaved the Thraddash, the Umgah, the Androsynth, the Ilwrath, the Spathi, the VUX, and the Mycon... somehow they missed the ZFP.  Then they got into the war with the Alliance.  That took a while. Even after they'd slaveshielded most of the races, I'm sure the Yehat didn't give up easily. Plus, the Shofixti nuked half the Ur-Quan fleet to pieces with their big ol' blaze of glory. The Ur-Quan probably spent a considerable amount of time rebuilding before continuing, and by that time the Kohr-Ah probably showed up. The Druuge managed to keep the Kohr-Ah away themselves... they probably just got lucky that the Kzer-Za never arrived in their space.
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Re: Druuge
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2003, 02:24:48 am »

I believe, as someone wrote a few messages up, and as far as I remember, that the Kzer-Za picked up some hyperwave transmissions from Druuge space (btw, Druuge is "friend" in Russian, but I guess you all knew that already Wink) and as they went to investigate, the Druuge figured their intergalactic wallstreet was going to collapse, so they planted a powerful caster on the Burvixes moon, and laid low. They tell you that themselves in the Druuge homeworld.
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