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Re: SC:BEL Mission 1
« Reply #615 on: April 14, 2009, 11:50:07 am »

Erm... there are two of your teammates standing between Bach and his target.

I know, but I think it's more important that I get the XP. And it fits Bach's character more. Still, it may not be necessary -- see below.

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And Sukuzu can't move three squares, attack, and retreat with "only" 6 movement points.

Right. I had forgotten about not being able to move if you no longer have AP (even if you have MOV left).

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You're right about us not being safe though. The only way to avoid that, as far as I can see, is if everyone shoots only once, and then retreats from the row with the door. And that does mean risking friendly fire.

Er, it seems we can just have everybody retreat somewhere in the rectangle whose upper-left corner is 2 squares S of Bach, and whose lower-right corner is just N of the door -- and we don't need to close the western door of the room. If we go with this plan, we'll also be able to retreat Wubula and Sukuzu before having Bach fire, thus avoiding friendly fire.

Alternatively, Sukuzu can throw a grenade instead of firing his Handgun, and then we can close the door and retreat -- the remaining Warrior won't be able to move 3 squares, open the door and shoot. But we don't know whether the southern Warrior is the non-wounded one (if he's the non-wounded one, throwing the grenade at him would ensure the maximum damage output, otherwise we're wasting the 2 points of damage in the center of the grenade's explosion), and I'd rather have Bach get the XP (Sukuzu is way ahead of Bach, so Bach has more use of it).
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Re: SC:BEL Mission 1
« Reply #616 on: April 14, 2009, 03:35:47 pm »

Bach may not succeed in killing the apprentice, leaving us open to attack from him, and we still don't know what the Slayer does. For all we know, it is a rocket launcher, doing damage in more than one square. Though I guess it would not make sense for soldiers operating inside their own building to be equipped with weapons like that.

As for throwing the granade, we're rapidly running out of "area" weapons. I'd rather save it if we can.
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« Reply #617 on: April 14, 2009, 04:12:16 pm »

I'm going to let you chat a bit before executing Yetis move. As it stands now he'll be firing twice and risking friendly fire. Update coming this evening, so if you're not sure I recommend editing away Bachs move.

EDIT: Make this tomorrow afternoon, I have urgent business to attend to.
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« Reply #618 on: April 14, 2009, 08:29:15 pm »

I thought the Apprentice had been reduced to 1 HP, hence why I thought I have lots of chances of killing him. Oh well, now that I know he's not wounded, using the calculator that I made, it appears I have a chance of 23% of killing the Apprentice in 3 strikes, and a 68% chance of killing him in 6 strikes. That's hardly enough. Let's maybe have Sukuzu weaken the Apprentice first by moving W, meleeing him (with 1 AP), then retreating somewhere in that rectangle I mentioned earlier. Wubula can then retreat as well, Bach can fire with 1 AP and then retreat, and then if the Apprentice is still not dead we can have Wawa fire his Paingiver at him. We have a 90% chance of killing the Apprentice this turn.
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« Reply #619 on: April 14, 2009, 09:26:07 pm »

If Sukuzu moves W, he won't be able to return to safety.

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« Reply #620 on: April 15, 2009, 11:05:46 am »

Hm, indeed. It seems the only square he'd be able to retreat to is the square that's the only one Wubula can retreat to. So we have 2 options -- Sukuzu can fire his Handgun instead of using melee (this means we have a 78.3% chance of killing the Apprentice, and a 16.5% chance of just wounding him). Or we can retreat Wubula, and have Bach fire a grenade at the Apprentice, killing him instantly and wounding the Warrior next to him (or even killing him if he's the one with 1 HP left). I'd favor the latter, as it is only rarely that we get to use a grenade on even a group of two enemies, as the history of this game indicates.
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« Reply #621 on: April 15, 2009, 12:01:54 pm »

Sukuzu wouldn't even be able to move to the only square which Wubula can retreat to.

There's bound to be a heavy guard near our goal, and if we want to do the side-quest we can expect another heavy battle. We are already low on special powers, so we should not waste a granade just to give Bach an XP over another team member.

Looking at our turn history, I do suspect that the western warrior is the hurt one.
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« Reply #622 on: April 15, 2009, 05:01:50 pm »

Looking at our turn history, I do suspect that the western warrior is the hurt one.

Seeing as you can see them, you can tell that the western Warrior is moving with a limp. He looks wounded. I'm heading out in a bit, hopefully you'll have made up your minds about what to do by tonight or tomorrow.
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« Reply #623 on: April 15, 2009, 06:45:12 pm »

@meep: I really don't see why you say we'd be wasting the grenade -- remember what I said about not encountering tightly-packed groups? (Which makes sense as they want to minimize losses due to area-of-effect weapons, especially in the case of these trained soldiers) Besides, this is one of those rare occasions where we can kill two enemies with one shot, now that we know the western warrior is the hurt one. We'll also be totally safe the next turn if we have Sukuzu close the door.

So I'm still anxious for Wubula to move out of my way.

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Sukuzu wouldn't even be able to move to the only square which Wubula can retreat to.

How so? That square is the one 2 squares S of Bach; after having moved W, Sukuzu would have to move E E S S to reach it. Moving 5 squares takes 1 AP, meleeing takes 1 AP too, so yes he would be able to retreat there.

EDIT: By the way, Luki, what the frell does a Bonecrusher look like? Is it a giant club or what? Oh, and what does a Slayer look like, by the way? A rocket launcher? Tongue
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« Reply #624 on: April 15, 2009, 09:25:42 pm »

@meep: I really don't see why you say we'd be wasting the grenade -- remember what I said about not encountering tightly-packed groups? (Which makes sense as they want to minimize losses due to area-of-effect weapons, especially in the case of these trained soldiers) Besides, this is one of those rare occasions where we can kill two enemies with one shot, now that we know the western warrior is the hurt one. We'll also be totally safe the next turn if we have Sukuzu close the door.
Fine. Wubula moves E S.

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Sukuzu wouldn't even be able to move to the only square which Wubula can retreat to.

How so? That square is the one 2 squares S of Bach; after having moved W, Sukuzu would have to move E E S S to reach it. Moving 5 squares takes 1 AP, meleeing takes 1 AP too, so yes he would be able to retreat there.
That's not how it works. From the rules:
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Each player can move a set amount of squares each turn. Moving the full amount will consume both your action points. Moving half of the amount will consume one action point. If you use your action point for other things, you may no longer move.
So, after 1 MOV, he would have 5 MOV left. If he then attacks, he uses up the rest of the first AP, leaving him with 3 MOV.

And if Wawa could spare one of those spike granades, Wubula would like one.
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« Reply #625 on: April 16, 2009, 11:06:24 am »

Summary: throw grenade at Apprentice, then move N E

OOC: I expose myself to 1 strike if the Slayer acts like a grenade, but I'd rather be able to attack with both AP.

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That's not how it works. From the rules:

I think we may need some clarification here. Luki?
EDIT: Wait, I don't get your reasoning. Luki said earlier that that rule is slightly badly phrased, and that it actually means that moving half your MOV or more (but not the full amount) takes 1 AP. So moving 5 squares takes 1 AP for Sukuzu. I'm interpreting movement to count with respect to the total number of squares you move in one turn (which is 5 in this case), so he can retreat to that square.
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« Reply #626 on: April 16, 2009, 02:15:31 pm »

Fellas, the movement rules are really pretty simple. Using 1 AP consumes half of your MOV, or all the remainder if less than half is left. So, for example, if Sukuzu moved 1 square and fired his weapon, he would have 2 MOV left (1 MOV for the square, 3 for the use of AP). If he moved 4 squares and fired his weapon, he would have no MOV left (4 for the squares, the rest to use his AP). Any other scenario you can come up with is a permutation of this.
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« Reply #627 on: April 16, 2009, 03:08:54 pm »

Sending the grenade flying, Bach licks his lips as he anticipates the carnage. With a resounding boom, the device detonates, sending a hailstorm of shrapnel flying in every direction. The apprentice never has a chance, his pheromone addled brain ripped to pieces by red hot metal shards. The wounded Warrior grunts as the metal penetrates his already wounded carapace, shredding his inner organs. He slowly collapses on the floor, leaving the last Warrior alone and worried.

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It's nice that Draxas is here, because otherwise I'd be worried about my sanity. He's got it right as usual. Dabir and Sukuzu/Wubula left to move, if they are moving at all?
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« Reply #628 on: April 16, 2009, 03:37:34 pm »

Funny that we've been playing the game for three months before we get the moving rules.
Yetiers: I understood the rules to mean that the turn is divided into 2 AP, and that an action other than moving takes the rest of the AP. (So if you have 6 MOV, and you move 1 or 2 squares before doing the action, you would have been left with 1 AP / 3 MOV. If you moved 3, 4, or 5 squares before doing the action, you would have been left with 0 AP / 3 MOV.)

Ok, so this means that we are safe from direct attacks standing right beside the door if it is closed. But even if the Slayer doesn't have an area attack, the warrior may have a granade. So Wubula will take one step S, and Sukuzu will move W, close the door, and then move S S.
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« Reply #629 on: April 16, 2009, 06:06:10 pm »

Wawa remains in position once more. It can see that the end of this conflict, at least, is near.
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