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jaychant
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...like making large ships not get as much thrust? Think of it this way: let's assume the propulsion happens by a series of explosions. If you increase the intensity of the explosion, it therefore costs more energy to produce each explosion, reducing the amount of explosions.
However, I think I will revert to my original plan, and make the thrust_wait also determined by a formula.
The point is not to make large ships not have as much thrust; On the contrary, the idea is that larger ships will have more thrust, because without the extra thrust, the ship would be much too slow and unwieldly to fight in deadly combat. For example, if you take my formula for the top speed with a mass of 500 and a thrust power of 2, you get a maximum speed of 1/500, which is extremely low.
I'm going to update the formulas right now, and I will soon have an update.
UPDATE: Here are the new formulas. I actually have more confidence in these:
dirnum = round(64 * (mass / turn)); accel = ((thrust) / (mass * 3)); max_speed = round((thrust * 2) / mass); thrust_wait = round(THRUST_WAIT_MAX / mass);


« Last Edit: March 04, 2009, 04:05:34 am by jaychant »

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Alvarin
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To behave more realistically, the relation of propultion parameters to mass should be squared . Probably energy level will be constant per engine type , E(k)=(1/2)*m*V^2 . Twice more mass , four times less speed . Thrust is not related to mass , it's again engine property . But , as you can fit bigger engine into bigger ship , you could maybe positive tie them  more mass=more thrust .


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To behave more realistically, the relation of propultion parameters to mass should be squared . Probably energy level will be constant per engine type , E(k)=(1/2)*m*V^2 . Twice more mass , four times less speed . Thrust is not related to mass , it's again engine property . But , as you can fit bigger engine into bigger ship , you could maybe positive tie them  more mass=more thrust .
When you say thrust, do you mean acceleration, thrust_wait, or max speed? Also, when you say "propulsion", do you mean acceleration, thrust_wait, or maximum speed?
Assuming that formula would be for acceleration, I tried translating it into my game:
accel = (((1/2) * mass * (thrust ^ 2)) / 1000); Is that what you meant? I assumed that V stood for Velocity.


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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.

Twice more mass , four times less speed . On the other hand, momentum is the quantity that's actually conserved in this system, and it gives dP/dt = 0 = Engine thrust + (M dV/dt)ship Rearranging, we get A = engine thrust / ship mass
You can use the energy formulation if instead of a time step you use a distance step. This is because momentum is force integrated in time, and energy is force integrated in position. Using a distance step would be really inconvenient for a game, as each particle would update asynchronously. Plus, you'd need to add in an extra step to apportion the energy properly between the exhaust and the ship. All around, just use the momentum approach.
In short, you were right the first time.


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Yep, in space inertia would be a better parameter than just the mass. And engine parameters scientifical applications are, probably, less relevant to an arcade style game, unless you were going for a phisics game engine. By "letting the user to define top speed" you mean the actual parameter, or if the acceleration button is pressed, the ship will go faster indefinately? The latter is more correct, again from realworld point of view... Unless I'm missing out something again



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