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Death 999
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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I'd expect a resignation to be permanent, which this isn't.
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Zeracles
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But seriusly, Climate Skeptic has some good points.
All I see is `the warming might be all natural'.
Firstly, if nature's causing it, that doesn't make it a good thing which we should encourage by pumping more shit into the atmosphere.
Secondly, even if natural warming events occasionally produce the sort of trend seen over the past fifty years, the probability of such a natural warming coinciding with humanity's population explosion is too small to be taken as a serious excuse not to act.
Also, it's probably in the best interest of both the CRU and Phil Jones to resign, no matter if they actually deliberately fudged data (with the intent of crafting some 'conspiracy' thing) or not.
If the CRU is put in the clear, I don't see why skeptics should then be encouraged to hack into other climate research institutions and publish private emails, just to see if they can get any other researchers to squirm through an investigation and be cleared, only to then resign.
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« Last Edit: December 07, 2009, 03:00:41 am by Zeracles »
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Death 999
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Actually, I did see one argument that wasn't that, there. It made me think pretty hard.
The direct CO2 forcing is weak. Most of our gains are via changes in water vapor. That is, if you force it little, the change that results is much larger. The water cycle acts as an amplifier.
Now, this is not a strictly speaking unstable arrangement (though he presents it as such), but it is close to it. It seems odd to me that if the gain in the system is so large that it has never led to an upward runaway from this temperature before. Of course, it has led to downward runaways, which are the ice ages, and upward runaways out of these ice ages again.
But the existence of those large swings indicates to me that yes, there is a substantial amount of amplification going on, and we have a bi-(or more) stable system here. We had better hope it's only bistable, because then we'll relax back to where we were rather than settling into some other climate.
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In other news, here's a view into the massive luxury that politicians, journalists and climatologists live in when they attend the Copenhagen Climate summit.
Luckily, the guy who wrote that email we just discussed will not attend due to his temporary step-down, so that's one less private jet to worry about.
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Draxas
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Ironic that a conference on global warming should have such a huge carbon footprint. Then again, maybe it's not; isn't politics about 90% hypocrisy?
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The article was interesting and pretty infuriating.
The comments below the article were nothing but ignorant drivel.
It gets pretty tiring hearing about this massive "conspiracy" to use Global Warming to become rich and powerful. I don't doubt for a minute that there are people that will undoubtedly try to use the concept to their own advantage, but there are people who do that in any situation, and plenty of them do it exceeding well in our current paradigm. Many people are just concerned for the future of our world...and they don't deserve such spiteful responses just because some of what they're suggesting might make things a bit less convenient for us all. Global warming aside, if people don't think resource scarcity combined with increasing human population and infinite growth are a fool's recipe for disaster, then either they don't care or they're morons, or both.
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