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Re: Global Warming Denialist
« Reply #90 on: November 30, 2009, 04:57:24 pm »

Quote from: Shiver
That's amazing that you know exactly what the e-mail was referring to. Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

Well, I did have to look it up.
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« Reply #91 on: December 02, 2009, 08:38:17 pm »

On a very related note:
Phil jones, the guy who wrote the email that was just discussed, has resigned from the CRU as the director.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate
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« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2009, 04:40:40 am »

The word ``resign" misrepresents what's happened and isn't used once in that page you just linked.

They're not hiding anything. If you think there's something wrong with their analysis, why not look at the raw data yourself*?

*EDIT: Looks like the CRU server is down. A lot of their data is also available here.
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« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2009, 06:19:33 pm »

I'd expect a resignation to be permanent, which this isn't.
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Re: Global Warming Denialist
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2009, 08:42:39 am »

Yo Death 999, I'm really happy for you, I'm gonna let you finish but the Climate Skeptic has one of the most facinating blogs of all time
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/.

I mean personally, if you really want to know how Global Warming skeptics think, this man and his few months old lecture can do it. I recommand people interesred in Global Warming to see it just for the sake of knowing both sides.
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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2009, 06:34:07 pm »

Scientific journal Nature finds nothing notable in CRU leak

Also, it's probably in the best interest of both the CRU and Phil Jones to resign, no matter if they actually deliberately fudged data (with the intent of crafting some 'conspiracy' thing) or not.
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« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2009, 05:22:52 am »

Yo Death 999, I'm really happy for you, I'm gonna let you finish but the Climate Skeptic has one of the most facinating blogs of all time

Huh

Are you casting yourself as an officially recognized jackass?
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« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2009, 07:11:06 pm »

I'd expect a resignation to be permanent, which this isn't.

Sorry, it was on a dutch newssite and apparently they misunderstood/mistranslated the message too Wink
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« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2009, 10:46:22 pm »

Yo Death 999, I'm really happy for you, I'm gonna let you finish but the Climate Skeptic has one of the most facinating blogs of all time

Huh

Are you casting yourself as an officially recognized jackass?

As a matter of fact, no. I just woke up that day and though that I had never used West refrence before. If that made you sad then I apologize Embarrassed.

But seriusly, Climate Skeptic has some good points.
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« Reply #99 on: December 07, 2009, 02:55:33 am »

But seriusly, Climate Skeptic has some good points.
All I see is `the warming might be all natural'.

Firstly, if nature's causing it, that doesn't make it a good thing which we should encourage by pumping more shit into the atmosphere.

Secondly, even if natural warming events occasionally produce the sort of trend seen over the past fifty years, the probability of such a natural warming coinciding with humanity's population explosion is too small to be taken as a serious excuse not to act.

Also, it's probably in the best interest of both the CRU and Phil Jones to resign, no matter if they actually deliberately fudged data (with the intent of crafting some 'conspiracy' thing) or not.
If the CRU is put in the clear, I don't see why skeptics should then be encouraged to hack into other climate research institutions and publish private emails, just to see if they can get any other researchers to squirm through an investigation and be cleared, only to then resign.
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« Reply #100 on: December 07, 2009, 04:36:12 pm »

Actually, I did see one argument that wasn't that, there. It made me think pretty hard.

The direct CO2 forcing is weak. Most of our gains are via changes in water vapor. That is, if you force it  little, the change that results is much larger. The water cycle acts as an amplifier.

Now, this is not a strictly speaking unstable arrangement (though he presents it as such), but it is close to it. It seems odd to me that if the gain in the system is so large that it has never led to an upward runaway from this temperature before. Of course, it has led to downward runaways, which are the ice ages, and upward runaways out of these ice ages again.

But the existence of those large swings indicates to me that yes, there is a substantial amount of amplification going on, and we have a bi-(or more) stable system here. We had better hope it's only bistable, because then we'll relax back to where we were rather than settling into some other climate.
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« Reply #101 on: December 07, 2009, 11:09:01 pm »

In other news, here's a view into the massive luxury that politicians, journalists and climatologists live in when they attend the Copenhagen Climate summit.

Luckily, the guy who wrote that email we just discussed will not attend due to his temporary step-down, so that's one less private jet  to worry about.
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« Reply #102 on: December 08, 2009, 04:26:10 pm »

Ironic that a conference on global warming should have such a huge carbon footprint. Then again, maybe it's not; isn't politics about 90% hypocrisy?
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Re: Global Warming Denialist
« Reply #103 on: December 08, 2009, 07:15:26 pm »

The article was interesting and pretty infuriating. 
The comments below the article were nothing but ignorant drivel.
It gets pretty tiring hearing about this massive "conspiracy" to use Global Warming to become rich and powerful.  I don't doubt for a minute that there are people that will undoubtedly try to use the concept to their own advantage, but there are people who do that in any situation, and plenty of them do it exceeding well in our current paradigm.  Many people are just concerned for the future of our world...and they don't deserve such spiteful responses just because some of what they're suggesting might make things a bit less convenient for us all.  Global warming aside, if people don't think resource scarcity combined with increasing human population and infinite growth are a fool's recipe for disaster, then either they don't care or they're morons, or both. 
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« Reply #104 on: December 08, 2009, 08:10:24 pm »

Global warming aside, if people don't think resource scarcity combined with increasing human population and infinite growth are a fool's recipe for disaster, then either they don't care or they're morons, or both. 

99% percent of earth's politicians are morons, and 100% the general population are morons and don't care.
By letting our loved ones live longer than they normally would, and by bringing children into this world, we will make sure that our grandchildren will have to wage world wars for food.
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