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« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2010, 12:49:53 pm »

Here's an idea - giant floating cattle ranches out at sea

That'll solve the food problem

I remember an old donald duck cartoon about that, where they had floating ranches and beaches that they towed around so that it was always sunny. then someone sabotaged the radio and gave them false weather forecasts so they got stuck in storms and sharks and stuff. Scrooge is such a lovable character.
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« Reply #121 on: January 08, 2010, 01:23:45 pm »

How are you going to feed the cattle.
And how are you going to get clean drinkin water to them?
And how are you going to grow the food of the cattle?
And how are you going to irrigate the food of the cattle?
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« Reply #122 on: January 08, 2010, 01:36:02 pm »

How are you going to feed the cattle.

Fish and algae. Although I think Scrooge McDuck also had farms and stuff on his rafts. Darn those Beagle Boys and their standing in the way of development!

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And how are you going to get clean drinkin water to them?

We'll go where it rains every now and then and have some barrels put out.

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And how are you going to grow the food of the cattle?

Even if we bring no soil with us, by the time the cattle have been fed fish for a month we'l have a nice layer of dung to plant our ecological crops in. And there is no risk of varmints either!

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And how are you going to irrigate the food of the cattle?

Again, we'll go where it rains. And cows urinate, don't they?
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« Reply #123 on: January 08, 2010, 02:08:20 pm »

That's why millions in africa are starving, because they haven't yet thought of your brilliant floating cattle ideas! Cheesy
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« Reply #124 on: January 08, 2010, 03:05:51 pm »

That's why millions in africa are starving, because they haven't yet thought of your brilliant floating cattle ideas! Cheesy

That, and Africa mostly has sand, not water. it's hard to sail on sand. Oh,  and pirates, which is bad for cattle rafts. Wink
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« Reply #125 on: January 08, 2010, 08:06:03 pm »

Well, this thread took a turn for the wacky.  Grin
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« Reply #126 on: January 08, 2010, 11:10:24 pm »

Well, the problem is going to be about hectarage in the end. Cattle consume way more hectares of land per calorie of food than just about anything else.

Sadly it looks like the only way to satiate the West's (and soon China's) appetite for meat will be to replace all the rain-forests with cattle ranches (which brings us back on topic!)

The impact of land scarcity will lead firstly to a dramatic cost increase for meat. It will be a bit like peak oil - but we can call it peak-meat. If we devoted the world's arable resource to maize we could probably feed a population of 30 billion.

But back to floating cattle ranches. Reclaming real estate from the sea will be an option a hundred years down the line, and instead of actually filling in parts of ocean it might be cheaper to create floating landmasses

As far as land use goes for these floating farms, I guess you could make floating broccoli fields too. As Lukipela said, it rains out at sea too so water supply shouldnt e a problem wit a well-placed cattle floater.

How do you build a floating cattle ranch? Well! We can start a new thread on that one








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« Reply #127 on: January 08, 2010, 11:27:27 pm »

According to a bloke called Mark Lynas, who was there, Copenhagen's failure was entirely down to the Chinese. Depressing and predictable. No wonder they're being cast as the villains by all western newspapers. That and the communism.
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« Reply #128 on: January 09, 2010, 04:00:04 am »

thanks for ruining the thread, lukipela.
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« Reply #129 on: January 09, 2010, 10:26:28 am »

thanks for ruining the thread, lukipela.

If we want to pursue a sub-line of discussion where we want to discuss the viability of deploying cattle-rafts in a frivolous manner, we should be allowed to do as such. Eventually the thread will return to its normal course, or not. But it doesn't matter. It's how conversations happen normally between people. Apparently you seem to be under the impression that a community board like this needs to be adhere to the topic at hand as if it were some kind of debating forum with fixed agendas. It's not. It's a community board, it's about fun and freedom, about enjoying each other's company without limiting each other's freedoms.

So back off and let us discuss Wink

Well, this thread took a turn for the wacky.  Grin

Eh, we're all doomed and life as we know it is ending. but that's nor reason to not enjoy ourselves at times.

Well, the problem is going to be about hectarage in the end. Cattle consume way more hectares of land per calorie of food than just about anything else.

This sort of also branches into an ethical problem. First off, if we stop keeping all the wasteful livestock we have now, what's going to happen to them? Chickens aint made to survive in the wild, they'll be extinct in a matter of years. Others will upset the ecological balance. So do we wipe those out ourselves, down to the last succulent pork chop? As for the ones we keep, how do we treat them? It's more efficient and less straining to use methods are are far less ethical. Are we really saving the planet if we're making animal life worse than it already is?

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Sadly it looks like the only way to satiate the West's (and soon China's) appetite for meat will be to replace all the rain-forests with cattle ranches (which brings us back on topic!)

Our current lifestyle will have to change. But try telling that to people who are just climbing out of the lower classes and finally get to enjoy all those things they've been working hard to get.

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The impact of land scarcity will lead firstly to a dramatic cost increase for meat. It will be a bit like peak oil - but we can call it peak-meat. If we devoted the world's arable resource to maize we could probably feed a population of 30 billion.

So at some point, buying and freezing meat might become a profitable venture... "I bought these delicious steaks two years ago and now I'm selling them with a 200% profit!"

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But back to floating cattle ranches. Reclaming real estate from the sea will be an option a hundred years down the line, and instead of actually filling in parts of ocean it might be cheaper to create floating landmasses

As far as land use goes for these floating farms, I guess you could make floating broccoli fields too. As Lukipela said, it rains out at sea too so water supply shouldnt e a problem wit a well-placed cattle floater.

How do you build a floating cattle ranch? Well! We can start a new thread on that one

The thing is though, we never do anything in moderation. Once we can build floating farms, we'll build lots. We'll blot out the sun to all the creatures who live in the sea- And once the plankton start dying, well...
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« Reply #130 on: January 09, 2010, 05:14:37 pm »

Bah. Through wonderful advances in science, meat will be grown in a petri dish and farmlands will be used to make fuels to feed the world's ever growing energy demands.
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« Reply #131 on: January 09, 2010, 06:33:10 pm »

We can solve meat demand problem and overpopulation in one move - some tribes in Africa and New Zealand are doing it already!
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« Reply #132 on: January 09, 2010, 07:19:54 pm »

Bah. Through wonderful advances in science, meat will be grown in a petri dish and farmlands will be used to make fuels to feed the world's ever growing energy demands.

But will petri dish meat be as nice? The flavour and texture is important, and I'm not sure it's worth saving the world if i have to spend the rest of my life eating inferior meat.

We can solve meat demand problem and overpopulation in one move - some tribes in Africa and New Zealand are doing it already!

They have abstinence programs and have made the move to a healthy vegetarian diet?
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« Reply #133 on: January 10, 2010, 02:10:34 am »

Bah. Through wonderful advances in science, meat will be grown in a petri dish and farmlands will be used to make fuels to feed the world's ever growing energy demands.

But will petri dish meat be as nice? The flavour and texture is important, and I'm not sure it's worth saving the world if i have to spend the rest of my life eating inferior meat.


Good question. I suppose the science will be perfected. For me the issue wouldn't be so much about perfect taste, but instead, the psychological aspect of eating artifically grown meat. There is just somthing creepy about it to me.
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« Reply #134 on: January 10, 2010, 06:40:15 am »

Clone a chicken, it will "taste just like chicken".
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