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Re: You post the ship, I'll tell you why it sucks.
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2010, 05:37:22 pm »

And I agree with you. Many ships aren't designed for supermelee, they are plot-devices so you can solve the game (see: Chmmr)

This is something I've never understood. Whenever I try to fight anything with the Avatar, I almost always die, especially against Marauders. They're supposed to be good against the Ur Quan but I have yet to see any evidence of this.
In fact, I couldn't finish the game at all until I got rid of my Avatars and loaded up on Juggers instead.
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« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2010, 06:01:57 pm »

Why Juggers? Isn't Spathi much easier?
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« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2010, 07:49:33 pm »

I can barely beat a Probe with an Eluder. I have no idea how you're supposed to do a Marauder.
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« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2010, 07:53:47 pm »

I can't kill a probe without major damage to my Spathi, but kill off Kohr-Ah easilly...
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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2010, 09:02:47 pm »

And I agree with you. Many ships aren't designed for supermelee, they are plot-devices so you can solve the game (see: Chmmr)

This is something I've never understood. Whenever I try to fight anything with the Avatar, I almost always die, especially against Marauders. They're supposed to be good against the Ur Quan but I have yet to see any evidence of this.

Correction: they're supposed to be good against Ur-Quan Kzer-Za. The Chmmr had no idea the Kohr-Ah existed Wink
Indeed, think about it: the Avatar's ZapSats are excellent for picking off fighters launched by the Dreadnought. The Avatar is a powerful capital ship matching the Dreadnought (though that's also a weakness, as the X-form's mobility tends to be better suited for picking a Dreadnought apart from afar, and thus not sustain any damage). While it might sustain heavy damage in the process, the Avatar will almost always win in a dogfight between them.

Let's also keep in mind the other known craft Hierarchy races had...

The Avatar outperforms the Intruder (and its satellites render the VUX limpets completely harmless).
The Avenger and the Drone will be shot down before they can inflict any serious damage.
The Podship can do some damage, but the tractor beam stops it from keeping distance and gives it no time to resurrect crew.
The Discriminator is completely harmless.

In fact, the only vessel which poses a significant threat to it is the Androsynth Guardian (and the Dreadnought can inflict considerable damage, of course). But apart from these weaknesses, the Avatar is quite well suited to fighting any Hierarchy ship. Only the Discriminator and the Guardian in Blazer form possess a drive powerful enough to escape the tractor beam and the deadly laser which accompanies it.
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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2010, 09:39:09 pm »

Well that makes sense. The Avatar always seemed to be better against the Dreadnought then the Marauder.


Anyway, the Eluder vs Marauder battle was much easier then I thought it would be, although it's kid of irrelevant since I only had one Eluder at the time I was playing the game.
During Super Melee against 3 marauders with Good Cyborg as the AI, here are my results.

2 Juggers dead
2 Eluders dead
3 Avatars dead (and I got lucky in this fight)

I suppose you're laughing at this, but I'm new to the game and not that good at fighting.
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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2010, 01:53:11 pm »

I don't think anyone laughing - in fact, most of us are probably envious (I am) that you're about to undergo such a lovely experience.
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« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2010, 06:18:58 pm »

Indeed. Most of us here have explored the game so thoroughly and so many times, we wish we could experience it fresh without knowing where everything is and the solutions to all the puzzles in the game.
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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2010, 04:54:34 am »

Nope, I've already played through the whole game. (Although I had to use a walkthrough since I missed most of the clues.)

As far as I know, the only things I haven't done are the Sylandro quest and allying with the Thraddash.
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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2010, 02:48:54 pm »

Spathi Eluders are my personal choice for an Ur-Quan / Kohr-Ah killing machine (when my SIS isn't armed to the teeth).  Dart in, B.U.T.T., dart out, repeat.  Just don't travel in a straight line when fighting Marauders, or you'll run right back into those leftover spinning discs.

For the final battle, a Pkunk or two I find most effective.  Honestly, I've never had much use for the Chmmr Avatar in story mode.
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« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2010, 02:58:46 pm »

Nope, I've already played through the whole game.
In this case -
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« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2010, 11:26:52 pm »

For the final battle, a Pkunk or two I find most effective. 

Or 6 if you're me.
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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2010, 02:08:38 am »

I just don’t understand the Torch ban at all. The Thraddash Torch is the best thing ever! It is easy to see that a ship is good when your opponent would rather slam into the planet than face it! You know, I just absolutely ADORE anticlimactic hour long battles which involve firing hopelessly at an impossible to hit vessel while having crew members killed one at a time.

The Thraddash Torch, friend of video game masochists everywhere!
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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2010, 12:56:45 am »

*Captain Kztkrmz enters the bridge of his Avatar*

XO Mrnkzt: "Ah, captain! An enemy vessel has jumped out of hyperspace."
Captain Kztkrmz: "What class is it?"
XO Mrnkzt: "It is a... Thraddash Torch, captain. I've already ordered the ship to engage."
Captain Kztkrmz: "No bother. Our engines combined with our highly advanced and shiny tractor beams won't be enough to catch it."
XO Mrnkzt: "The Torch is closing in fast! Are we going to retreat?"
Captain Kztkrmz: "Retreat from a puny Torch? Have you lost your mind?"
*BOOM*
XO Mrnkzt: "We are hit!"
Captain Kztkrmz: "Damage report!"
Tech Chmmr: "Our outer hull has been slightly scratched by a Torch Long Ranged Abuse Cannon. According to our calculations we won't survive longer than three years under this barrage."
Captain Kztkrmz: "I'm sure it'll run out of bullets before that. Or they'll accidentally hit that star seven light years away."
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« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2010, 03:04:20 pm »

Captain Kztkrmz: "Damage report!"
Tech Chmmr: "Our outer hull has been slightly scratched by a Torch Long Ranged Abuse Cannon. According to our calculations we won't survive longer than three years under this barrage."
Captain Kztkrmz: "I'm sure it'll run out of bullets before that. Or they'll accidentally hit that star seven light years away."

Gold! =D
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