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A visual guide to Ur-Quan Conquest
« on: November 18, 2009, 08:16:03 am »

Because I have too much time on my hands, I decided to look at what was written about the Ur-Quan's campaign through this region of space and put it on a map, with dates and battles of interest noted.

Because the history of the SC1 era (roughly 2124-2134) is not described in detail, the history of that time is unknown. We only know of the first and last engagements of that era as it pertains to the starmap. The rest are only speculated at from SC1's mission descriptions.

I'm sorry that I didn't polish the JPG better. If anyone wants the original PDF to edit, feel free to ask for it.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6486/starmapurquancampaignlo.jpg

Not noted on the map is the fact that the Kohr-Ah annihilated the Burvixese on their way to meet the Ur-Quan instead of annihilating the Druuge. This occured "8-12 years" before Zelnick's Planetary lander discovered the destroyed civilization's remains. Presumably the doctrinal combat occured right afterwards since the Kohr-Ah didn't have time to finish off the Druuge before running into the Kzer-Za. Since the game starts in 2155, the doctrinal conflict could have started as early as 2143 and as late as 2151.  

Edit: In the game, the starbase commander mentions that the starbase is supposed to be resupplied every 5 years, but they haven't heard from the Ur-Quan in "almost 8 years", which he said on Feb. 17, 2155. This suggests that the War started in 2148 or so.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 11:38:11 am »

Nice! I do have some nitpicking to do though Tongue

Didn't the Earthlings and those after them surrender in 2135? AFAIK only the Chenjesu & Mmrnmhrm surrendered in 2134.

I'm sure I saw that somewhere...

The Ultronomicon generally states that it all happened in 2134, though this disagrees.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 02:48:24 pm »

Sweet time-wasting Jesus, that's nice work!
I particularly like the image for the sun going nova.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 05:51:47 pm »

Very nice to see it illustrated, good work!
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 08:18:13 pm »

I particularly like the image for the sun going nova.
...but that's just the image for a battle!
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 12:19:40 am »

Nice! I do have some nitpicking to do though Tongue
Didn't the Earthlings and those after them surrender in 2135? AFAIK only the Chenjesu & Mmrnmhrm surrendered in 2134.
I'm sure I saw that somewhere...

From Commander Hayes' quotes, it seems that Earth, Syreen and Arilou were defeated in Earthling territory only weeks after the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm fell. It makes sense that the Earthlings wouldn't hold out long without the Chen & Mmrn.
"Holding Rigel cost grievously in Chenjesu forces and the Ur-Quan, recognizing this weakness
shifted to focus the brunt of their forces on Procyon.
That was the last we heard from the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm.
A few weeks later, waves of ships hit us from all directions.
When Ceres Station, our outpost in the Asteroid belt, fell to the Hierarchy, we knew we were beaten
but we fought on anyway.
Three days later the Ur-Quan vaporized our last remaining laser-forts on the moon"
http://www.star-control.com/hosted/scwc/quotes/commander.txt


btw, what happened to all the great stuff on the Pages of Now and Forever? *sad*
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 12:42:57 am »

I just realized, when you look at this map as a campaign direction, you realize that the Tucanae star system is really not anywhere near the marching path of the Ur-Quan, and in fact it makes sense that they were ignored, since the threat of the Chenjesu was in the other direction. The Ur-Quan basically circled around them and fought the other races further "south". In order for it to make sense that the ZoqFotPik got ignored, the Ur-Quan must have headed for the Crateris constellation straight after the fall of the Alliance. Since the doctrinal war was centered around the Crateris constellation, it makes sense that the ZoqFotPik were not obliterated, since Alpha Tucanae is on the edge of the combat zone.


On another note, now that I think about it, I could have added a note somewhere on the map indicating that the Syreen surrendered somewhere between Earthling and Yehat space...

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 11:00:13 pm »

I did this same research for Groombridge Log. You should compare your information with what I gathered.

http://www.star-control.com/hosted/gl-comic/
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 11:03:12 pm »

I did this same research for Groombridge Log. You should compare your information with what I gathered.

http://www.star-control.com/hosted/gl-comic/

So when is the next episode due Wink
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 05:31:03 pm »

I did this same research for Groombridge Log. You should compare your information with what I gathered.

http://www.star-control.com/hosted/gl-comic/

So when is the next episode due Wink
Funny, I was wondering the same thing...
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 11:57:27 am »

So when is the next episode due Wink

Spring 2010 is the plan.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2009, 04:16:24 am »

Wow, your graphics look much cooler than mine. Nice job!

I think you may have made a mistake, though: In the comic, it's written:
"The Ur-Quan decided to make the result of the war really clear: Dreadnoughts took up positions above Rome, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, London, Buenos Aires and Washington and completely levelled them"

I don't think this is state in the game. In the commander's dialogue, he says the Ur-Quan took up geo-synchronous positions over those cities, but he didn't imply that they were destroyed. In the game, the commander just says that Buenos Aries was destroyed.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2009, 01:09:09 am »

Just looking at what Hayes says, there were two different reasons for massive urban destruction:

Quote from: Hayes
We'd lost the War and we knew it, but the Ur-Quan decided to make it real clear --
-- and that's why if you check any of our most recent maps, you won't find Buenos Aires.
As far as I can tell, this means that Buenos Aires was destroyed as a warning and/or punishment for resisting.

Quote from: Hayes
Then the Ur-Quan broadcast an odd message
all objects of human construction more than 500 years old were `to be abandoned'.
We didn't know what the Ur-Quan meant until they moved their Dreadnoughts to new orbital positions
and opened fire on the surface with their fusion weapons.
In seconds, large sections of London, Paris, and other European cities were incinerated.
At first we thought they were going to annihilate us after all
and we noticed that they were also striking such targets as the Giza Pyramids
the Parthenon in Athens, and Stonehenge. Curiously, The United States was almost untouched.
The flaming rain lasted 40 hellish hours.
It took days after we crawled from our smoldering shelters to realize what the Ur-Quan had done.
Our new masters had targeted every building, monument or other manmade construction older than 500 years
and destroyed it.
This seems to suggest that the Ur-Quan eliminated large parts of several major cities in Europe, since they contained buildings that were older than 500 years; London and Paris are explicitly mentioned. However, the wording suggests that parts were still left standing (presumably any areas without any buildings older than the 18th century). Washington should have been left more or less untouched by this bombardment.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2009, 05:03:11 am »

Yeah, I'm just distinguishing between what appear to be retributive bombardments vs. the "destroy anything older than  500 years policy.

In the comic book, it seems to imply a grim retribution on the surface by the Ur-Quan to "make it real clear that the war was lost", but this isn't the same impression conveyed by the game dialogue.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 11:20:38 am »

I remember thinking about that part when writing the script. I thought it sounded clumsy that only Buenos Aires was mentioned to be completely leveled.

I got the impression that all those cities might be leveled and Hayes just didn't say it clearly. There were several parts like this where I had to make some decisions based on incomplete information given in the game. So basically the comic is based on my impression of the SC universe.
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