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Re: Ur-Quan and Syreen
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2010, 01:01:37 am »

Well, given that they let the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm share a slave shield with virtually no oversight, it seems the Ur-Quan were not particularly cautious when dealing with newly conquered species.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2010, 01:08:58 am »

They were in a rush to confront to Kohr-Ah with as strong a fleet as possible, and were rushing to crush the Alliance. That's why they sunk to the level of having to use the Sa-Matra to speed things up. They weren't really in the right frame of mind to consider what the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm might be cooking up together, and figured they were dafely out of the way and unable to accomplish anything of importance under a slave shield before one of the Doctrines emerged victorious and was able to deal with them properly.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2010, 07:23:04 am »

Keep in mind that the Syreen could not use their psychic weapon against the Captain of an enemy ship. This is because they are disciplined and not as prone to panic or whatever method of manipulation the Syreen use to get people to respond to their suggestions.

So theoretically one could resist the Syreen with training.

I also don't know how well the Syreen are at controlling people (especially large numbers of them) permamently. I doubt they can do it with the ease or scaling ability (over billions of people) of the Dnyarri, and they would require special equipment. Even then, it's not as complete a form of mind control, more like a hypnotic trance of high suggestibility.
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Re: Ur-Quan and Syreen
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2010, 09:48:32 am »

You all are missiing the point of future evolution...
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2010, 07:14:39 pm »

You all are missiing the point of future evolution...
Maybe they prefer that risk to becoming mass murderers? I think mass scale genocide can change the culture and future of the people carrying it out too. Perhaps they realize that.

Or maybe they are naive and haughty.

Maybe they manipulate the inhabitants via the water/food or via radiation from the shield to "guide" their evolution? In fact maybe their plan is to quietly lower the nativity of the various species until they just die out (like that Stargate episode).
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Re: Ur-Quan and Syreen
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2010, 09:09:29 am »

The Kohr-Ah would've wiped them without a second thought.

The Kzer-Za, though, were probably enacting their (ethical? moral?) viewpoint as they expressed it over the Mael-Num homeworld, which they explained to the Kohr-Ah as something like 'Enslave, yes, subjugate, yes, but never destroy'.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 07:13:02 am »

Sometimes people overlook the simplest things...

The Kzer-Za didn't even exterminate the DNYARRI, they enslaved them, and you're wondering why they didn't exterminate a race with insignificantly weak psychic powers in comparison - they have never affected one Kzer-Za (on Kzer-Za ships, there is only one Kzer-Za present, the captain, and the Syreen Song never affects the captain of the ship, therefore the Syreen Song has never worked on a Kzer-Za).
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 07:43:35 am »

That's, actually, the best point so far, I think. Even thought they kept the Dnyarri alive as a punishment, but still...
In their "downgraded" form the talking pet could potentially evolve and pose a danger, just as Syreen, but they are also under control.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2010, 02:42:31 pm »

Until a Dreadnought's self-destruct circuits fail to engage, resulting in a crash, and someone recovers the Pet, and someone else unlocks it's potential, and someone ELSE again... but that's highly unlikely...

...or is it?
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2010, 03:03:14 pm »

Might be unlikely enough for Kohr-Ah. Kzer-Za on the other hand, should have thought about that. Could be one of Arilou *time tricks* as being mostly brains Talking Pet should have sustained most damage of the crew.
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2010, 08:32:43 pm »

On the other hand, it's small. That really helps when you're trying to survive large accelerations (If you drop a mouse out of an airplane it will walk away from the landing)
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 10:33:24 pm »

That is in open air, when air resistanse slows objects down, as in smaller creatures/objects the ratio of wight to surface area yields lower final energy. On the enclosure inside a crashing ship there is really not enough room for plausible desceleration. (I watch Mythbusters too much)
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2010, 11:27:51 pm »

Since they know the creature is fragile perhaps it was already housed in some sort of protective container. Space travel in general might be pretty bumpy, especially in combat.
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2010, 06:09:57 am »

All things being considered, I don't think the Ur-Quan would be taking any special precautions to stop talking pets from being hurt.
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2010, 06:54:47 am »

Again, Kohr-Ah - probably. But Kzer-Za, as stated, never throw anything away and being improtant tool, the talking pet should have been somewhat preserved.
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