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Re: How can Kor-Ah beat Ur-Quan?
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2003, 10:46:16 am »

I'm pretty sure there is at least one conversation in the game that spells out why the kohr-ah are going to win - the showfixti managed to annihilate a good portion of of the ur-quan dreadnaughts when they pulled their ultimate glory device ploy, and the kzer-za are simply outnumbered.  After a prolonged conflict with the alliance, and then with the showfixti managing to do that much damage, they're just too weakened to be able to hold off against the kohr-ah.

I'm not convinced battle thralls turn the tide in the kzer-za's favor overall either.  Doctrinal conflict rules seem pretty clear that only ur-quan are allowed (as show by what happens to the thraddash if they intervene).  If anything, that means in this conflict, the kohr-ah have an advantage.  The Kzer-za share their resources with other races that aren't allowed to take part in the battle, but still suck up the RUS.  The Kohr-ah, on the other hand, just blow you up, and share nothing save death.

The manual says that only one ur-quan is one every ship...but oddly enough, not one of the slave races has seen an ur-quan since the fighting began.  The kzer-za aren't going back to pick up battle thralls as crew, and the history of the ur-quan does say that the repulsion and hunter instincts of the ur-quan can be conquered.  It would seem the doctrinal war required only ur-quans to be involved, and if that means putting up with each other in close proximity...well, the ur-quan do it.  It's the fate of the galaxy, after all, the most important part of ur-quan culture.  I think they'll deal with each other.

As for whether or not races would be slave shielded after a certain period of time...well, looking at the doctrinal war, I'd say probably no.  The ur-quan basically told their battle thralls "We're leaving now.  Do as your told.  If you're not, when we come back, we're going to exterminate your species." - and it would seem they were content their reputation would get the job done.  
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Re: How can Kor-Ah beat Ur-Quan?
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2003, 10:55:24 am »

Nicely summed up, Anon. There is one flaw in what you say: the hierarchy races do NOT suck up the Kzer-za's resources. The Ur-Quan take hierarchy races along as support, and probably make them pay for their own stuff. If battle thralls proved to be that much of a disadvantage, the Ur-Quan would only use slave shields and have no hierarchy at all.
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Re: How can Kor-Ah beat Ur-Quan?
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2003, 01:17:26 pm »

Oh, by sucking up resources I didn't mean that they're taking away from the ur-quans budget.  Just that if the Ur-Quan say "Ok, you guys pay your own way, here's your planet", then they've lost the equivalent of a planets worth of resources for each race, something which the Kohr-ah never worry about, since there aren't survivors to claim planets.  Given the way the Kzer-za apparently feel about the expendibility of the thralls, I'd imagine a planets worth of resources is not great cost for an entire species to die in combat - even if they're only mildly useful, it's still less dead ur-quan.  Comparing how they value themselves to everyone else, well, that's a big reason to keep em around.

And I mean, they did throw the bulk of the ilwrath fleet against the mhrmnrm and the chenjesu, and that couldn't have turned out especially well for the ilwrath.  But, I get the feeling the ur-quan would much rather have one less mineral rich planet and a whole bunch of dead ilwrath then one more planet and a whole bunch more dead ur-quan.
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