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Topic: Star Maps for Star Control I and II (Read 9042 times)
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alien_fan
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Hello,
I was looking around on this forum and read some talk about star maps for Star Control II.
I found a very nice map for it, "sc2finalmap.png" which I can view on Mac OS's "Preview" program.
However, in order to read it, I have to zoom in quite a bit. That's not such a problem but it would be
nice if I had a hard copy where I can check off stars I have visited so I don't go the same place twice.
The aliens are fairly easy to remember, but the stars are not so easy. I suppose I could l just write out
a list of each star's name that I visit. It would be nice, though, if I just had a really big hard copy that's
easy to read and check visited places. Actually several copies would be nice.
Is there a way to buy it from some where? I would need a color printer and maybe photo paper to make
a print out and then I wouldn't know how to blow it up so everything's legible.
Also, is there a good map for Star Control I? I was thinking of downloading Star Control 3. It's really
not about the price, because if I pay to download Star Control I, I can get Star Control 3 also as long
as it's the same day. However, from the horror stories I've been hearing, I think I'll just go with I & II.
Thanks!
BYE.
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Alvarin
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Star control 1 maps are 3D and different for each scenario, so I don't think you can get a printed map for that.
For UQM there is also a list of all stars, that you could use, but that contains spoilers.
About SC3 - it's not that bad if you don't have your expectations hight and manage to dodge event sequence breaks.
EDIT: links
http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/List_of_constellations - spoler free - good for finding where you are pointed to by aliens.
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Novus
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I was looking around on this forum and read some talk about star maps for Star Control II.
I found a very nice map for it, "sc2finalmap.png" which I can view on Mac OS's "Preview" program.
However, in order to read it, I have to zoom in quite a bit. That's not such a problem but it would be
nice if I had a hard copy where I can check off stars I have visited so I don't go the same place twice.
That reminds me; by Luki's request, I started work on an SVG backend for the starmap generator a few weeks ago. There are a few minor issues to iron out, but I think I could post it soon. You could use it to easily generate a map adapted for cheap printing (e.g. with a white background instead of black).
Also, is there a good map for Star Control I? I was thinking of downloading Star Control 3. It's really
not about the price, because if I pay to download Star Control I, I can get Star Control 3 also as long
as it's the same day. However, from the horror stories I've been hearing, I think I'll just go with I & II.
Who's selling the Star Control series for download?
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alien_fan
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Hello,
I would be interested in the map with a white background.
"Who is selling Star Control?"
You may wish to Google "abandonware", MyAbandonware.com I think and "Abandonware + Star Control" or
"Abandonware + something else".
http://<illegal download site>/star_control_1.html
http://<illegal download site>/star_control_3.html
The games are actually free. You're paying for the service for their maintaining the download site.
What is SVG?
My concern with printing is that you'd might want something bigger than 8 1/2" x 11"?
I've played the game so much I'm not worried about spoilers (SC2 I mean)
What do you mean, 3D maps for SC 1?
Maybe I will try downloading SC 3 after all?
Thank you so much for all your help!
BYE.
Moderator edit: Removed links to illegal download site.
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Alvarin
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Star Control 1 had not a flat surface map, but rotating "galaxy" of stars.
It would be very hard to accurately represent the spheroid cluster for printing...
In addition, there were so little srats in each scenario, that I don't think it is at all necessary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0M2Ftf6ho
That's SC1 review. The starmap is at about 3:30 onward.
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Dragon
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Also with regards to SC1 and it's star maps. Unfortunately TfB no longer have the original source code to SC1 which includes the rather nifty random star position and link generator. I took a stab at reverse engineering it a couple of years ago but didn't try very hard. Zeracles has since provided an algorithm that generates SC1 style starmaps, complete with connections and clusters (Yay!). As Alvarin said it'd be very hard to print the 3D representation and each map is only be valid for one scenario (and the games are fairly short).
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alien_fan
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Hello,
I was not aware that the copy I found was illegal? Thanks for telling me.
I thought the whole point behind "abandonware" is that they don't care anymore about trying to sell/maintain it?
Is there a legal way to get "Star Control 1" and/or "Star Control 3"?
I'm more interested in "Star Control 1" from what I've been hearing.
BYE.
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alien_fan
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Hello,
Copyright means that only the creator can copy it, whether or not it is for sale. So far as re-releasing things, I think of TV Land on
cable television. They air shows that originally aired a long time ago. There are people who have never seen such television
and maybe people who don't mind watching certain shows again. Folks in TV Land shows still get rewards. Also, the internet
allows for more storage so people can see other things. There aren't many new shows on TV and the ones that are on TV
have an increasing web presence. The larger number of channels has given more choices to people. PBS is really
expanding, I hear.
Well, there are only so many new TV shows, so many old TV shows. Renting, buying and checking out DVDs from the store and from the library makes it cheap to watch a lot of movies. After seeing a lot of them on TV or in a DVD player, the movies run out, just
like the new & old TV shows. After all, there is only enough time in prime time anyway. There seems to be more fluff on cable TV and people are gradually spending more time in front of a computer than a TV, especially with newer computers that you can watch
TV programs On Demand (when you want to see it).
I like to read hard copy newspapers and get used to waiting a certain day or time for a new show being released on screens everywhere.
Anyway, what they say about copyright is that the laws really haven't changed much over the years, it's just easier with all
the electronics capable of easily sharting great deals of information.
Sorry I don't know anybody who has "Star Control 1" or "Star Control 3", never mind the part about would they be willing to sell it/them
to me. I am disappointed that the link I found is an illegal download. I found them using Google.
Does anyone know how I can get a licensed copy of either or both games?
Thanks.
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onpon4
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Sharing is good.
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Hello,
Copyright means that only the creator can copy it, whether or not it is for sale. So far as re-releasing things, I think of TV Land on
cable television. They air shows that originally aired a long time ago. There are people who have never seen such television
and maybe people who don't mind watching certain shows again. Folks in TV Land shows still get rewards. Also, the internet
allows for more storage so people can see other things. There aren't many new shows on TV and the ones that are on TV
have an increasing web presence. The larger number of channels has given more choices to people. PBS is really
expanding, I hear.
Well, there are only so many new TV shows, so many old TV shows. Renting, buying and checking out DVDs from the store and from the library makes it cheap to watch a lot of movies. After seeing a lot of them on TV or in a DVD player, the movies run out, just
like the new & old TV shows. After all, there is only enough time in prime time anyway. There seems to be more fluff on cable TV and people are gradually spending more time in front of a computer than a TV, especially with newer computers that you can watch
TV programs On Demand (when you want to see it).
I like to read hard copy newspapers and get used to waiting a certain day or time for a new show being released on screens everywhere.
Anyway, what they say about copyright is that the laws really haven't changed much over the years, it's just easier with all
the electronics capable of easily sharting great deals of information.
Sorry I don't know anybody who has "Star Control 1" or "Star Control 3", never mind the part about would they be willing to sell it/them
to me. I am disappointed that the link I found is an illegal download. I found them using Google.
Does anyone know how I can get a licensed copy of either or both games?
Thanks.
You can look on Amazon and eBay, but it won't be cheap and it probably will take some work to get it to run on your machine.
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alien_fan
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Hello,
How expensive do you think Star Control 1 and/or Star Control 3 would be off eBay or Amazon.com? With the kind of backwards compatibility XP lacks, maybe I should get a 286, but it would be hard to find and I don't have a lot of room in my apartment for another computer 
Maybe DOS Box would work but I fear I lack the ability of getting it to work.
Thanks anyway.
BYE.
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