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Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« on: February 06, 2003, 09:24:53 am »

   I'm writing you from Russia Federation. That's why I speak english so *well* . My brother adviced me to play SC Ur-Quan Masters to improve my english.
The problem is: "The subtitles don't coincide with the sound"
    To teach english I have to read and hear just the same.
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2003, 09:52:54 am »

I would recommend downloading the version posted about here: http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Techissues;action=display;num=1044016659 .  It has synchronized subtitles (text and speech at the same time) that are very well done.
Good luck learning English- you already type better than several of my friends for whom English is a first language.  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2003, 07:20:03 pm »

Here's even a direct link:
http://www.4u-servers.co.uk/~striker/

And your brother is correct - this is an excellent game for learning English!
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2003, 09:47:01 pm »

Good idea.  Just don't expect the Orz to be much help.
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2003, 11:35:32 pm »

And the main character intentionally mis-defines several words for the Thraddash (I think. It was worse with the K'Tang in SC3). Avoid pig-latin.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2003, 11:50:23 pm »

    Thank you very much! If anybody wants to learn russian language
post me: dj_scan@mail.ru And please don't spam.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2003, 07:21:53 pm »

A quick question that  for all you people who use another alphabet than the Roman (Kyrillic, Hebrew, Chinese and so on.):

How does your keyboard work? I mean, obviously you can write in what we see as "normal" letters as well, but do you have a button on the keyboard to switch, and then every löetter corresponds to a letter in your native alphabet? And for the chinese, don't you guys have several thousand signs? Do you only have the most common on the keyboard, or is there a "modernized" version of the language for that or what?

Seeing this thread about russian just made me curious
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2003, 05:12:02 am »

Although I myself don't speak russion, well I do have an imported Japanese keyboard for my Gamecube which has romantic letters in upper left hand corner of keys and Japanese characters in the lower right hand corner. A key that replaces the tilde (~) key switches between each set of characters. Can't think of a really good pic to show you off the top of my head, sorry.
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2003, 06:19:49 am »

If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese developed something like "computer-japanese".
Since all of their signs would simply be beyond any keyboard capacity, they figured out a way to put syllables instead of sign-words on their keyboards.
That way you don't type a word by pressing the corresponding letters but spell it out by typing the syllables.

As for learning English with the game - enjoy and good luck!
I remember me spending hours in front of the pc, stunned by the game and learning English myself on the side  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2003, 12:26:43 am »

See that's what I was wondering. I can well see hebrew and kyrillic and greek alphabetsbeing simply converted by a button press, "LangLock"  so to speak. But I was wonmdering bout Japanese and Chinese seeingas they are so very different... A new language then? To talk about technology causing advances linguistically...
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2003, 12:45:06 am »

Well, not really new. Imagine you would write English on your pc not in words but just in the phonetics of the words and you get pretty close.

Comparable 2 what U do while in a chatroom. Instead of writing please, you write plz or thx instead of thanks. Shortens it down but it carries the same information
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2003, 06:00:07 am »

Basically, the Japanese have always had a couple alphabets to work with, so  typing isn't a problem for them.  They do use some Chinese characters, but I assume they just spell these out in their alphabet like they do other languages.  Now, I don't know how the Chinese manage.  They probably just use a subset of old signs as a phonetic alphabet.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2003, 05:32:15 pm »

Getting a bit offtopic here, but the Japanese mostly seem to type using one of their phonetic alphabets, and convert to Kanji using a built-in dictionary if necessary (some more information  here. The Chinese are a bit worse off, as they don't really have a phonetic alphabet, so they end up either splitting their characters into parts and entering one at a time or typing in Latin characters (more details in chapter 3 of (this article (PostScript format)).
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Re: Teaching english with SC:UM, problems
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2003, 12:51:12 am »

phonetic alphabet. of course.. that makes sense. don't the chinese/japanese use a lot of inflections as well though? I mean, I seem t recall reading somewhere that the same sign can mean several thing's depending on the intonation you use when pronouncing it. So wouldn't there be a lot of phonetical signs as well?
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2003, 03:12:22 am »

In japanese, the different pronunciations aren't just inflections--they're entirely different words.  The same kanji symbol can represent two different words, with entirely different pronunciations, depending on context.  Dunno about chinese.
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