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Alvarin
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Well, if you take Pratchett's lord Vetinari, dictatorship can be good for a state...
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Angelfish
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And do you really think that the Chinese people don't support this government? I don't see massive and violent uprisings, yet I see megastrikes going on on democratic countries like France and Greece. You see the megastrikes in Greece and France because the people have freedom to demonstrate and a free press so that others know they are demonstrating. The Chinese government is notorious for having a stranglehold on information, which is why you rarely hear about these things; it's not that they don't happen, it's that the Chinese goverment doesn't want anyone to find out, so they kill or "disappear" dissenters and won't allow news of demonstrations to get out, even within the country. Of course, you already know this, and seem to think that dictatorships are the best kind of government. Are you a dictator, Angelfish? Because those tend to be the only ones who like this form of government.
I don't like dictatorships, but I can imagine that a dictatorship is working out quite allright for China as a country. I hope you're willing to look past what would be a perfect form of government for you personally, because quite frankly, you're just a tiny little drop of water in an ocean  . If we'd all have our perfect form of government.. ask that to the dirt poor people without healthcare in the USA, or ask that to the heavy tax paying people in Sweden. Or ask that to the dutch elderly who get beaten up by moroccan people every day, because our country is so damn friendly to foreigners  .
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Draxas
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I don't like dictatorships, but I can imagine that a dictatorship is working out quite allright for China as a country. I hope you're willing to look past what would be a perfect form of government for you personally, because quite frankly, you're just a tiny little drop of water in an ocean . If we'd all have our perfect form of government.. ask that to the dirt poor people without healthcare in the USA, or ask that to the heavy tax paying people in Sweden. Or ask that to the dutch elderly who get beaten up by moroccan people every day, because our country is so damn friendly to foreigners .
Based on your arguments, I was just about to peg you as a fascist, because the core of that belief system is the elevation of the state and its needs over those of the individual. In the long run, that works out well for basically nobody.
No country will ever have an ideal government for everyone, because you can't please everyone all of the time. However, ensuring the well being of as much of the majority as possible is the mark of a successful system. At no time does this include governments who work to ensure the well being of the ruling elite and to hell with everyone else, which is basically how most "communist" countries seem to have worked out.
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dczanik
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I just came across this post. So forgive me if some of the points I want to make are from earlier (and in the original thread).
My father was a Hungarian who came to the U.S. after fighting Russians for freedom from the USSR in the Hungarian Revolution. He was shot twice and almost died. My grandmother was gang raped by Russian soldiers. My grandfather almost died in a Gulag and only lived a few short years afterwards due to his injuries. Like Rome, Russia was maintaining itself by feeding off other countries. It also kept power by violent purges of anybody who opposed them, while blatantly spouting non-stop propaganda to get the masses to agree with them. It told everybody everything was okay while It was on the brink of economic collapse. When I see some comments from somebody who is Russian commenting on how they prefer the old USSR compared to their new system of government I can't help but feel a little like giving them the finger. For that unsustainable standard of living they enjoyed, how many had to oppressed? How many had to die?
Now, that being said. I believe the U.S. finds itself in a similar situation and I'm just as much against it. Until recently the U.S. had been enjoying an unsustainable standard of living. In many ways (like the deficit), we still are. Our involvement in the middle east is mostly about our need for oil. How many have to be oppressed, and how many have to die so we can enjoy things like gas under $4/gallon?
As far as Republican and Democrats voting. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. You reap what you sow.
For stuff like open source projects like Timewarp (and project6014). Money is a great motivator, but not the only one. I think this video might provide some insight: What Motivates Us
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Wolframm
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Communism was present in diffrent shapes all over the world, but none was ideal.
Ideal communism would solve the well known, eternal and global *rich-and-poor-people* problem and people would share everything for both their own good and good of their comrades.
That would prevent any type of slavery between people and I personaly like such ideas.
Sadly, communist goverments took most of resources for themselves and made their nations poor.
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