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Battle with another ships
« on: May 01, 2011, 05:04:54 pm »

I want to ask someone about battle with another ships. How about these two ships battle, Druuge Mauler vs. Imperial Star Destroyer, which one win?
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2011, 06:17:51 pm »

Considering that one is the space equivalent of a battleship, loaded with powerful cannons and protected by shields, and the other is a single giant cannon with no shields and carrying 13 slaves thrown in a furnace for ammunition, there isn't even a contest.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 04:28:49 am »

Go download P6014 and find out for yourself. Wink
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 07:03:24 pm »

How about Kohr-Ah Marauder vs. Borg Cube (from Star Trek)?
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 09:10:50 pm »

How about Kohr-Ah Marauder vs. Borg Cube (from Star Trek)?

Borg are weak against kinetic weapons. So this one is obvious.
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 11:54:03 pm »

Let's try this: Avenger VS Klingon Bird Of Prey (or the Romulan Warbird of The Classic Series), or a Cruiser VS Kirk's Enterprise.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 04:55:06 am »

And while at it, try the ZFP vs Smurfs.
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 10:47:54 pm »

Admiral Zex vs. Grand Admiral Thorn! Smiley
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2011, 01:29:31 am »

I want to ask someone about battle with another ships. How about these two ships battle, Druuge Mauler vs. Imperial Star Destroyer, which one win?

The ISD has an effective range on static targets that's best measured in light-minutes. The Mauler... it's not clear, really. Based on the fact you can have a battle with a group with other groups nearby but not engages, all within one light-second, well, it's less. The Borg seem to engage at a range of a few km under normal circumstances, but that could be an illusion of cinematography.

In terms of destructive power, it's hard to say. Their destructive effect on asteroids is the same... though to be fair, the ISD does that with the equivalent of its anti-fighter gun, not its main cannons. On the other hand, if the mauler had any secondary weapon, no matter how weak, it too would be able to take out asteroids... of completely unknown size.

The ISD can cross the galaxy in a few days at most, perhaps less, and can go superluminal within a few thousand km of a planet surface. The Mauler would take several years (at minimum, using the very smallest estimates for the galaxy) to cross the galaxy, and can only go superluminal somewhere around the heliopause.

Oh, and, based on its RU cost, the mass of the mauler is strictly less than 567 kilotons (unless it's made of PLASTIC), and very likely noticeably below 500. That's 1/50 the mass of an ISD! For more useful comparison, 500 kilotons is 6 times the mass of a large aircraft carrier, or around the size of the largest cargo ship ever built, when fully loaded. Incidentally, a Borg Cube masses in at 90 Megatons, around 3.5 times the mass of an ISD.

This really throws a wrench in the works of how large these ships are... by photographic evidence, the Vindicator is only 250m long, roughly the same length as an aircraft carrier - while it is significantly larger than other ships.
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 07:02:43 pm »

Let's try this: Avenger VS Klingon Bird Of Prey (or the Romulan Warbird of The Classic Series), or a Cruiser VS Kirk's Enterprise.

The Ilwrath Avenger and Klingon Bird Of Prey is match to engage and fight because they has a cloaking device. But the Ilwrath Avenger is armed with short-range flamethrower and the Klingon Bird Of Prey is armed with plasma cannon. So I think maybe the Avenger win.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 09:38:58 pm »

The BoP has much longer range. A wily (not head-on-confrontation type) could wear them down.

And Kirk's Enterprise can take thermonuclear weaponry with little difficulty: consider "A Taste of Armageddon", in which they were only simulated to go down against a simulated barrage of nuclear weapons because they didn't raise their shields against the imaginary weapons.

That said, there is little upper bound on the size of a thermonuclear device. However, if these weapons are based on models made for terrestrial warfare, they won't be that big, at all.


SC is not especially high-powered, in terms of the tech normally used by ordinary ships. The Sa-Matra could well be on par with the best the Empire could put up - but that's just because the precursors are so much (to an undefined degree) more powerful than the others.
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2011, 07:25:28 pm »

Let's try this: Chmmr Avatar vs. Klingon Negh'Var Warship.
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2011, 07:46:19 pm »

Admiral Zex vs. Grand Admiral Thorn! Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 04:56:45 am »

I believe the most fair comparisons would be against the Babylon 5 universe or Battlestar Galactica. Both are weak enough that nuclear weapons are still a significant threat.

However, the two have a very strong capital ship vs. fighter divide which is absent in UQM. I'm not at all sure how a fight would play out there. B5 capships have serious range, that's for sure.
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Re: Battle with another ships
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2011, 01:38:39 pm »

Here is the picture of Ur-Quan Dreadnought attacking USS Enterprise (Galaxy-class Starship).  Wink
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