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The Vindicator
« on: October 13, 2011, 02:08:58 am »



As you know, a skeleton starship was manufactured on Unzervault, but not enough building materials were present to produce a complete vessel. What would the ship have been like if there was enough to complete it? Indeed, where would the ship be in terms of sheer power? Also, can we get a measurement of how big this thing is?
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 03:03:35 am »

I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be much more powerful than the starting Vindicator, but it would probably have better speed and maneuverability, much more cargo and fuel space, and possibly some specialized repair and support equipment. Remember, as powerful as the Vindicator can end up, it was originally classified as a Precursor service vessel and probably not designed as a warship.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 03:07:21 am »

Regarding the size, I asked a very similar question not too long ago over on star-control.com, and the answer I got seems to be that it's roughly 250~350 meters long, most likely.  Based on estimations made using this picture and others like it.

Regarding the power level, I concur with Draxas that it probably wouldn't have been all that powerful in terms of fighting ability.  It's a tugboat, not a battleship.  In that respect, Zelnick was probably lucky that it was only half finished, leaving him room to easily modify the armaments without needing to tear it apart first.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 03:37:38 am »

Perhaps the Precursor computers would have requested input at some state, asking which modules (probably not identical to Starbase modules) to start the ship out with. I'm guessing the Vindicator was probably intended to use modular equipment packs in the first place, the Starbase technicians certainly seemed to think so.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 04:27:36 am »

Doing it off the floating things, we get a width of the nose module of either 40 m or 80 m:

suppose the railings on the near one are 1m high (human scale). We get a disk diameter of around 8m. Transferring that up to the one closer to the Vindicator, it comes out to around 40 m.
Or they could be 2m high (precursor scale), yielding 80 m.

Based on the battle image "sis.big.0.png", we see that the aspect ratio of the main body is 8:47.
That gives either 235 m long or 470 m long.
Compare to the supercarrier Enterprise, around 209 meters. So it's pretty big either way. Not utterly gargantuan - a star destroyer is 1.6 km long, for comparison.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 09:58:31 am »

The main computer of the factory was brought along to the ship, all the info available was stored on it, so I think all of the modules you are able to build on the start of the game is all you could do even without resource restrictions.
On other hand, the starbase facilities might have not been on par with Unzervault's factory...


For the measurements I've taken the average height of humans in proportion to the landing skate and then did the ratio of it to the length. I don't remember what the result was...
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 08:25:30 pm »

Death 999 seems to have already deduced the measurements of the Vindicator. This is good.

I have an additional question. What could we produce if the starbase had facilities as good as or better than Unzervault's factory?
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 08:59:08 pm »

It clearly does, since the schematics for all those starting modules were aboard the Vindicator (same computer, remember?). So your answer is the kitted out, homing hellbore monstrosity of a combat ship we all know and love. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 02:51:12 am »

Doesn't quite follow. It's possible the precursor factory could have had capabilities that were not possible with the starbase facilities - like, oh, building another Vindicator frame. You can't bring Hayes 50k RU or 100k RU and do that.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 03:04:52 am »

It's also quite possible the Precursor factory on Unzervalt wasn't just for the particular class of of service vessel/tug that the Vindicator belonged to. Perhaps it had last been programmed to build a merchant convoy, complete with huge cargo vessels, utility tugs, and light military escort, and it happened to have been stopped by its owners just before making a Vindicator class tug.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 03:09:05 am »

Then wouldn't the schematics for all that stuff be available too? If it was there, I would at least expect a passing mention of it from Hayes that it's beyond their capabilities.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 09:52:35 am »

It clearly does, since the schematics for all those starting modules were aboard the Vindicator (same computer, remember?). So your answer is the kitted out, homing hellbore monstrosity of a combat ship we all know and love. Wink
But you buy all that more andvanced stuff from Melnorme.

So, I think that if the factory had had enough materials to complete the ship, it would just have been full of same modules it has in the beginning.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 02:42:32 pm »

I think that buying technology from the Melnorme is there only for gameplay reasons.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 04:54:25 pm »

I think that buying technology from the Melnorme is there only for gameplay reasons.

Definitely, but that doesn't make it non-canon. It's quite possible that the Melnorme were able to improve on Precursor technology, or that the modules simply weren't considered useful enough for a tug.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 10:55:03 pm »

Or that the Melnorme have access to precursor schematics not present in this computer.
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