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hackdx
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I thought I'd add something I just discovered. This one requires a spoiler warning.
The Kzer-Za give the following explanation of the consequences of a Kohr-Ah victory:
While the Kohr-Ah move through space, killing your neighboring species we shall remain here, guarding the trophy... the Sa-Matra. When the Kohr-Ah are done with their dark business they will take possession of the Sa-Matra, and then we will part ways traversing the galaxy in opposite directions, fulfilling our doctrines and preparing for our next Doctrinal War.
Thus we know now that 1) following the first conflict in Mael'num space, the Kzer-Za found the Sa-Matra, defeated the Kohr-Ah, kept the Sa-Matra, and the two started off on their migration; 2) SC2 takes place when the two species meet again for the first time; 3) the winner of the ritual battle will be the new guardian of the Sa-Matra, and a new migration starts, until the next meeting.
Since this is apparently supposed to happen over and over again, I suppose that it is understood that any single migration will only ever touch on a very small part of sentient life in the galaxy, and that there's no fear that any single sweep will either exterminate or enslave all life.
Actually, one thing that I don't understand fully is whether both Ur-Quan species are supposed to be entirely invincible. Do they always succeed with their doctrine? Do they never get the crap beaten out of them by a stronger adversary? Or do they just know how to avoid even stronger races? Perhaps the Ur-Quan that guard the Sa-Matra are allowed to use it and thus effectively become invincible, but the other sub-species would surely have to be a bit more careful... How come the Kohr-Ah claim to have never been defeated?
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Death 999
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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Because there isn't always someone tougher out there.
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oldlaptop
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Also note that the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za came very close to failing in the war with the Alliance. If it weren't for the Sa-Matra they may well have lost, it was a rough stalemate until they pulled out the Sa-Matra.
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Alvarin
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Not really. The Alliance was loosing. Just not fast enough before Kohr-Ah arrival.
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oldlaptop
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Well, from what Hayes says, it sure doesn't sound like things started out well for the Alliance.
The Ur-Quan came roaring through VUX space, and tried to push past the Indi and Mira star systems.
Their onslaught was barely repulsed and our counter-attack made hardly a dent in Hierarchy forces
but we held the line -- The Coreward front remained intact.
But this was actually the start of a whole ten years worth of stalemate:
Over the following ten years, there were many great battles between the combined Alliance starfleet
and the Ur-Quan and their Hierarchy of Battle Thralls.
The Alliance didn't start to crumble until a 'dramatic shift in the balance of power' happened, presumably the final assault with the Sa-Matra:
Then, in 2134, a dramatic shift in the balance of power took place
this must have been just about the time the science research mission was sent to your planet at Vela
our fleets were pushed back from the Indi-Mira line to beyond Raynet.
Holding Rigel cost grievously in Chenjesu forces and the Ur-Quan, recognizing this weakness
shifted to focus the brunt of their forces on Procyon.
That was the last we heard from the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm.
Note that the Slave War started nearly forty years before, with the Chenjesu first picking up their signals in 2098:
Earth got involved late in the game, in 2112, when the Chenjesu arrived in our solar system for the first time
so let's back up a few years to 2098
when the Chenjesu's super-sensitive receivers detected a strange signal from the Ophiuchi constellation.
It took the Ur-Quan over thirty years to conquer this sector even *with* the Sa-Matra! Now without the Sa-Matra deployment in 2134, it's easy to imagine the Alliance gradually gaining the upper hand, especially considering that the Ur-Quan ended up with some of the most useless and unstable races in this sector as battle thralls (Spathi anyone?).
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Well, from what Hayes says, it sure doesn't sound like things started out well for the Alliance. The Ur-Quan came roaring through VUX space, and tried to push past the Indi and Mira star systems.
Their onslaught was barely repulsed and our counter-attack made hardly a dent in Hierarchy forces
but we held the line -- The Coreward front remained intact.
But this was actually the start of a whole ten years worth of stalemate: Over the following ten years, there were many great battles between the combined Alliance starfleet
and the Ur-Quan and their Hierarchy of Battle Thralls.
The Alliance didn't start to crumble until a 'dramatic shift in the balance of power' happened, presumably the final assault with the Sa-Matra: Then, in 2134, a dramatic shift in the balance of power took place
this must have been just about the time the science research mission was sent to your planet at Vela
our fleets were pushed back from the Indi-Mira line to beyond Raynet.
Holding Rigel cost grievously in Chenjesu forces and the Ur-Quan, recognizing this weakness
shifted to focus the brunt of their forces on Procyon.
That was the last we heard from the Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm.
Note that the Slave War started nearly forty years before, with the Chenjesu first picking up their signals in 2098: Earth got involved late in the game, in 2112, when the Chenjesu arrived in our solar system for the first time
so let's back up a few years to 2098
when the Chenjesu's super-sensitive receivers detected a strange signal from the Ophiuchi constellation.
It took the Ur-Quan over thirty years to conquer this sector even *with* the Sa-Matra! Now without the Sa-Matra deployment in 2134, it's easy to imagine the Alliance gradually gaining the upper hand, especially considering that the Ur-Quan ended up with some of the most useless and unstable races in this sector as battle thralls (Spathi anyone?).
The assault of the Sa-Matra was only on the Chenjesu, when the Ur-Quan had their focus on them. It was the only place the Sa-Matra was used, apparently to speed up the Ur-Quan's victory.
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oldlaptop
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I'd guess from the limited evidence their strategy was to quickly reduce the Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrm with the Sa-Matra, taking out Alliance leadership and permitting easy access to Earth and much of the Alliance's industrial capacity. The change in the balance of power along the Indi-Mira line would have been a huge strike with nearly every ship the Hierarchy had, to draw Alliance fleets away from the planned assault point, giving the Sa-Matra group a far softer target.
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