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Re: Are there new ships to download?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2012, 09:51:04 pm »

I don't recall Hayes calling anyone evil; can you find the exact quote? It's quite possible that I just forgot.
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Re: Are there new ships to download?
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2012, 10:06:25 pm »

Ok well I'm not going to play the entire game again just to find a quote, it's possible I might be remembering it wrong too, but you'd think with all the talk of hating enslavement and wanting to defeat the ur-quan he would have called them evil.
Also, what about the Lurg genetically engineering a ship just so it can fight or that they said that the human race means nothing to them?
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Re: Are there new ships to download?
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2012, 10:08:15 pm »

Ok well I'm not going to play the entire game again just to find a quote

http://www.sa-matra.net/quotes/
http://uqm.stack.nl/diff/arilou.html
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Re: Are there new ships to download?
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2012, 10:10:13 pm »

Well, I didn't find the world evil, guess I just musta thought he implied it.
But, we can all agree those blobbies are evil.
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2012, 10:32:58 pm »

I don't recall Hayes calling anyone evil; can you find the exact quote? It's quite possible that I just forgot.

One of the great things about Star Control IMO was that there was no actual evil beyond the Dnyarri that we didn't get much insight into, just tragic events. No one was bad just because. I fully expect the Lurg to be nasty, but to have twisted reasons of their own for doing what they do.

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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2012, 10:35:19 pm »

I kindof agree with that holistic view too, but it's hard to image that in the game other species wouldn't call other species evil.
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Re: Are there new ships to download?
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2012, 11:41:52 pm »

The Ilwrath insisted that they were evil... only the Chmmr seemed all that reticent to label people evil.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2012, 06:00:07 am »

The Ilwrath insisted that they were evil... only the Chmmr seemed all that reticent to label people evil.

The Ilwrath could merely be acknowledging that relative to outside species that they are considered evil.
The chmmr are weird, I think they lost emotions or something when the robots merged with the chenjesu, although it might be strange for rocks to have emotions too, but they were called benevolent and even helped those zoq guys.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2012, 08:05:46 am »

The Ilwrath could merely be acknowledging that relative to outside species that they are considered evil.

Quote from: Captain
Do you really consider yourselves Evil?
Quote from: Ilwrath
Ha! Evil! Of Course We're Evil!
Dogar And Kazon Would Never Reward A Less-Than-Hideously Evil Species With Their Baleful Grace.
Why We Are The Very Definition Of Evil!
Everything About Us, Within And Without, Reeks Of Heinous Deeds, Deceit And Treachery!
Even Our House Pets Are Rather Evil.

Quote from: Captain
But `evil' is that which is morally bad or wrong. And if your actions are judged by your society as correct, aren't you, in fact, good?
Quote from: Ilwrath
Hmmm... We ARE All Evil.
We All Behave In A Mutually Agreed-Upon Fashion Of Murder, Torture, Deceit And So Forth.
Our Uniform Acceptance Of This Heinous Credo Creates An Orderly And Cooperative Society
Which Hardly Seems Evil.
Evil Is Doing Things That Make Others Hurt Or Fear.
We ALL Do That, Of Course.
But Since We ALL Do Such Things, As Sanctioned By Our Culture,
It Would Be `Bad' To Do Otherwise.
Which Means...
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Puny Hu-Man, Do Not Play With Words! You Anger Both Dogar And Kazon! Now You Must Die!
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2012, 06:31:37 pm »

Other species could have different definitions of evil. With the Ilwrath, evil doesn't seem to be so much as we label it, for them its just a way of living, and thye obviously know that other species don't agree with that way of living.
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Re: Are there new ships to download?
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2012, 07:12:33 pm »

Well, I didn't find the world evil, guess I just musta thought he implied it.
But, we can all agree those blobbies are evil.
I did go through Haye's quotes, searching for "Ur-Quan", and didn't find anything that I thought implied it. And I'm not sure why you're suddenly bringing in the Umgah...?
One of the great things about Star Control IMO was that there was no actual evil beyond the Dnyarri that we didn't get much insight into, just tragic events. No one was bad just because.
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2012, 08:48:17 pm »

I kindof agree with that holistic view too, but it's hard to image that in the game other species wouldn't call other species evil.

I wasn't making that argument though. Certainly lot of species in SC would call the Ur-Quan, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah and others evil. but none of those species are defined as a one-dimensional bad guy. They don't do things "just because they are evil". Even though we don't agree with them or their actions, they don't do those just because they are "evil". They do them for what they believe to be good reasons.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2012, 09:36:25 pm »

I wasn't making that argument though. Certainly lot of species in SC would call the Ur-Quan, Ilwrath, Kohr-Ah and others evil. but none of those species are defined as a one-dimensional bad guy. They don't do things "just because they are evil". Even though we don't agree with them or their actions, they don't do those just because they are "evil". They do them for what they believe to be good reasons.

Well, the Ilwrath *are* defined as a bunch of one-dimensional bad guys, by their own proud admission! Of course, they're more of a parody of the cookie-cutter Evil Alien Race than anything else.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 02:55:15 pm »

Moreover, Hayes suggested that they might be one of the races it would be easiest to ally with!
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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 05:17:19 pm »

Moreover, Hayes suggested that they might be one of the races it would be easiest to ally with!

The Ilwrath? I don't recall. He did say that that it was too bad the Umgah fell so early since he felt that they would have gotten along with them. When you ask about the Ilwrath, though, Hayes just talks about how scary they are, and when asking how to deal with alien races, Hayes gives Ilwrath, Androsynth, and VUX as examples of races that you're probably not going to have a peaceful encounter with.
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