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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2003, 01:03:19 am »

That all depends on the skill of the pilot

the reason i like the idea is because the wall of flame it made would make any ship that cant turn fast and has a slow accel a easy target excpet for the chmmr and the earthling cruiser itself (point defence)
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2003, 01:29:51 am »

Yes, but assuming that these are alliance and hierarchy (or any other race) war pilots trained for battle, I'd say they'd probably figure this trick out pretty fast.

And in 2 player game, it'd be the same as with the cruiser. If your enemy is too close, and somewhat manevurable, he can sdodge your missiles. The afterburner would enhance that effect to a bit further out. They would be harder to dodge from very far off, due to their amazing speed, but their medium range would be worse than the regular crusiers. Also, for how long would the afterburner keep going? It hasn't got enough juice to cower a whole screen if it's attached to a missile, so ifthe enemy is far away, you'll just be leaving a streak of fire that your next missile might hit...
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2003, 01:36:13 am »

could make it so it starts the afterburner on final aproach
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2003, 01:41:21 am »

Good point. That would make for a nasty surprise, and even if you evade the missile, you'd have the flames around you to worry about. But wouldn't it make the missile a lot more fragile? I mean, a normal missile blows up very easily, and one that has a huge tank of extra fuel strapped to it (and possibly a traddash with a cigar, although i suppose that isn't mandatory) should be even more vulnerable...
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2003, 01:47:16 am »

as i said it would be worthless aganst ships with point defence. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2003, 02:13:26 am »

Yeah, but even a Traddash or ZoqFotPik should be able to hit that enormous fuel tank with a qucik shot, and thus eliminate it. Of course, there's the speed issue again. Only for expert pilots...
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2003, 02:19:53 am »

so replace the warhead with a glory device and then you have a standoff weapon Wink

or course there is the balance issue
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2003, 07:53:25 pm »

and that's really the main issue, isn't it?
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2003, 08:30:36 pm »

Looking for an ultimate ship? SC2 has three of them, and that's not even counting the precursor vessel. They are: Ur-Quan Dreadnaught, Kohr-Ah Marauder, Chmmr Avatar.

Those are powerful ships, but far from unstoppable. There are several ships that can beat them. IMO, the hardest ship to beat is an arilou with a good pilot. Only the chmmr, the slylandro, maybe the earthling cruiser, and luck can kill it.
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2003, 10:54:46 pm »

would that missile pe proximity, or remote detonated? No matter, it'd be very unfair and off balancing... There would be no ship to stand against it, whcih would make the melee just a tad pointless...
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« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2003, 12:08:15 am »

what they need to do is make a ship modifier which would automaticly balance the ship.
so if you had a earthling cruiser with a cloak it would make it so the engine was next to nothing or would reduce the crew.
have it so every aspect of the ship is part of the calculation. from turning thrusters to size of the hull.
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2003, 12:11:11 am »

Hmm.. Isn't it just easier to desgin the ships yourelf and use simple reasoning to figure out what is blanced and what is not, and let others playtest it and comment, rather than to write some obsucre program that has to take every possible parameter in the game into consideration (tactial advantages due to secondary weapons) and so on?
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2003, 12:22:11 am »

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2003, 12:25:38 am »

I think TimeWarp solved this idea easily - text files with the attributes of each ship, which you can change at your discretion.
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2003, 12:28:06 am »

Let me clarify. If you look at Timewarp, there are a lot of different ships, and some of the special weapons are way out there, worthless against some ships, ezxcellent against others, and sometimes just as good against everything. I think it'd be hard for an artifical intelligence to work out how these special and main weapons, seeing as it often cant even seem to utilize them the proper way in the HyperMelee.... Regardless of the billiance of the AI, it's seldom as good as a human, and is therefore not able to rate the ships as well as a human would be able to. Therefore, a program attempting to restrict what you come up with (no matter how exotic the weapon) would be quite inefficient.
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