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« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2003, 02:32:25 am »

No, I'm pretty sure the whole thread is about the DNyarri, and how he escaped from the Vindicator  Tongue

I have to say that I find the idea of the Dnyarri using other talking Pets as slaves a bit strange. It must be more effective tio raise them to sentience surely? hmm... i wonder how the Dnyarri ranking system works...
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« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2003, 03:01:20 am »

This Dnyarri might view all other Dnyarri as a threat, not wanting them to be sentient.
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« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2003, 05:40:38 am »

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hmm... i wonder how the Dnyarri ranking system works...

The biggest brain wins.

I dunno whether all Dnyarri are like the Talking Pet you get from the Umgah.  You know... arrogant, conceded, impatient...  in my mind, for the Dnyarri's efficient enslaving of the sentient milieu, their ranking system would have to be pretty organized, if not amalgomized.  That would be the only way to control such powerful races in such a short period of time...
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« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2003, 05:28:03 pm »

I agree, the Dnyarri must have had an effective system of cooperating, otherwise they could never had spread so quickly. Also, if they were competing with eachother, they wouldn't have held all the races under them, like the Quan imply. You'd have had a Stargate scenario, with loads of different Dnyarri fighting eachother and everyone else. Of course, the Quan don't say this out straight, and they might even remember it wrong, but one does get the impression that the Dnyarri didn't fight eachother.

Perhaps the one Dnyarri we know is different fro mthe old ones? The Umgah may not have restored him completely, or he might be insane by Dnyarri standards, or he might just be very bitter...
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« Reply #109 on: April 02, 2003, 01:03:51 am »

According to the Melnorme:

As the centuries of Dnyarri dominance passed, what was once the Sentient Milieu deteriorated and degenerated into a great galactic gulag
The Dnyarri may have cooperated in spreading themselves and even insofar as they likely didn't attack one another, but it's clear that their organization skills aren't quite so far-reaching as to overrule their inherent laziness. I mean, if many different races and cultures who are forced to sort things out and debate and who must work to keep themselves united toward a common goal are more efficient at keeping things stable than a single race... that just speaks volumes.

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The biggest brain wins.

I like that. And which Talking Pet has the biggest brain of them all? If he used his less evolved bretheren as tools there would be no chance that he could be overthrown by a Dnyarri with a bigger brainpan or stronger powers than he. In his own twisted mind, he would have the "right" to rule over the other Dnyarri in that way. And who can forget the endgame quote, where the Dnyarri says he wants to conquer the galaxy for HIS greater glory? While those are meant to be amusing, I can't think of a statement more in character than that.
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« Reply #110 on: April 02, 2003, 01:28:37 am »

Ummm, I didn't actually make the brain statement, but I agree, it sounds as if it is the most likely scenario. After all, they can't really match up for brawn can they.

On the other hand, the Dnyarri are supposed to have been a selfish race, no? I think that if one of their number turned out to be a lot stronger than the rest, and tried to dominate them, surely the other would band together against him?
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« Reply #111 on: April 02, 2003, 04:59:40 am »

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I like that.

Hey, that was me who said that!   Wink  It makes sense in my mind, since the Dnyarri like to manipulate other species so much.  I wouldn't be surprised if they enjoy manipulating themselves as well, meaning the most psychically adept would hav the greatest power.  That type of hierarchy seems to suit the greedy, selfish nature of the Dnyarri.
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« Reply #112 on: April 02, 2003, 08:58:51 pm »

I always pictured Ur-Quan to-the-death ring fights, arranged by the Dnyarri, where they bet on their greatest fighter.. you know, like all those Van-Damme movies Wink
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« Reply #113 on: April 03, 2003, 07:56:41 pm »

Could they manipulate eachother that easily though? I assume that if one is a creature with a powerful mind, capable of controlling "lesser" creatures telepathically, you'd think one would catch on to anyone else trying to sneak into one's brain rather quickly. And raise merry hell about it as well. And if they did that, would they be able to keep their slave empire under ANY control? If one Dnyarri attacks another mentally, trying to subjugate it, wouldn't the other one drop everything it's doing to defend itself? Likewise, wouldn't the first one have to focus on only this and let go of unimportant slaves?

Now imagine the Dnyarri going around jumping eachother all the time, that's leave a lotr of slaves uncontrolled, and eager to rebel. Even if there were other Dnyarri nearby, it'd take these some time to catch on to what the hell had just happened to the docile slaves, and by then, they could have been squashed.

I like the idea of the biggest brain wins, but I think it'd be a big no-no in Dnyarri culture to pounce eachother. maybe they measure rank on telepathic strength, but in that case they probably had some sort of controlled tournament to place everyone in their right position.

Again, all of this is my opinion, and pure speculation.
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« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2003, 08:36:38 pm »

Perhaps this was the reason why the Dnyarri started giving slaves free-time.
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« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2003, 10:09:30 pm »

Lukipela, that's one way to look at it; but remember that for example, as Newton theory includes forces, Einstein's theory is based on time-space disturbances (what's the word?)

What I mean to say is, who said that the Dnyarri HAS to concentrate on each of its' subordinates all the time? perhaps it creates a strong mental link and that's it?

let's take bowling balls for example; you COULD hold them in your hands all the time, and that would be hard to manipulate, but you could also tie them to yourself with chains - and then it's much easier. In the Newton-Einstein sense, these two theories are different, but they accomplish the same thing eventually.
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« Reply #116 on: April 04, 2003, 01:16:37 am »

I can't imagine individual Dnyarri not trying to compel each other out of some kind of mutual respect*. I think laziness (at first) and fear would be the more likely deterrent: fear of retribution from their slaves should they be allowed to think freely. That more than anything would keep the peace... at least for a while.

But it would also mean there's no particular stigma against using other Dnyarri should the chance arrive.

Oh, and I apologize to Omni-Sama and Lukipela for my oversight. I've corrected that little mistake.

*Remember the Dnyarri's comment about compelling each other to do the gross chores? =)
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« Reply #117 on: April 04, 2003, 02:37:33 pm »

Using your bowling balls for example, even though it's quite easy to have a lot of bowling balls on chains, you'd still have to attach each cahin. And if you then tried to attach a chain to another bowler, who was trying to do the same thing to you, wouldn't you be slightly hampered bying being attached to hundreds of chains already? It'd be easier, to drop them just fro a second (they're easy to pick up, they already have the chains attached, to put the new one on, especially since the other bowler wont just sit around and let you attach the cahin, he is gona fight you with all his might.
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« Reply #118 on: April 07, 2003, 09:26:02 pm »

Has anyone else read Snow Crash? I'm thinking that perhaps we could all learn from Juanita. Perhaps a bit of religious training might help against the Dnyarri...
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