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Re: The Remains of the Precursors
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2003, 03:43:02 am »

yea, even the artifacts shouldnt have survived 390,000 years, but o well
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2003, 06:51:52 am »

I don't think so. The Precursors built to last. Most of their stuff we either can't understand period or seem like magic. Weaponry with longer range than the "infinite range" Chenjesu, a tug that can plow through any modern-day ship like a hot knife through butter, whole worlds supposedly created, bombs that can trigger a near-nova, and so on. Obviously they are much more technically advanced than us, and there is no question that rock or metal can survive less than a half a million years. We have, in fact, found rocks that are 2 or 3 billion years old, I believe, and the tug can theoretically take (50*16+1) 801 damage to destroy, or over 32 nukes, it's reasonable to assume that the Precursors had more durable materials as well.
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2003, 06:53:25 am »

Sorry, over 200 nukes. That's a lotta nukes, ain't it?
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« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2003, 02:40:18 am »

dont forget what spathi council said, that they think they just used their technology to create a huge invisibility shield... also for the sc3 stuff, i decided not to play it, i heard it sucked bad and didn't wanna ruin the sc2 classic story
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« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2003, 06:45:35 am »

You says the Percursors had planets, maybe they just lived in ships and traveled everywhere.  Theres a quite a bit of artifacts left over from all the games: sc1?  every 6-7th world/system had an artifact , sc2: all over the place, sc3, even more then sc2.  Who the heck says that they coloenized everyplanet?  Who says they were even on planets.  Who says some native elephant didn't just smash 'little-blinky precursor toy' some time during the half million years.  I find that theres TOO much precursor goodies left all over the quadrent, 3 giant precursor ships, at least 3 directly created races, dozens of dozens of artifacts just laying around on the ground of various random planets.

There could be just as many underground or under a ocean, or just got smashed along the way.
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« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2003, 09:46:59 pm »

Honestly, I think that the technology is there, but most of it is hard to discover. My guess is that a lot of it is buried underground, out of range of the energy scans (rock can block a whole lot of radiation), like the factory at Vela was. My guess is that most of the easy-to-find artifacts have been found and taken elsewhere by various alien races, but that there is still quite a bit of undiscovered, buried technology. The factory is one example; the Mark II is another (Okay, we don't know for sure that the Mark II was a Precursor ship, and we don't know that it was underground, but we do know that nobody discovered it before the captain, and I think it's safe to assume that it was made by the Precursors). So, I think that there's stuff that's still out there; you just need to look carefully.
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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2003, 10:22:51 pm »

You know, if you play SC1 there were alot of percursor artifacts lying all around. Somehow they weren't sun devices or bombs. Thrusters and dynamos (hmm, don't the melnorme sell you dynamos and tech for your precursor ship? Wonder were those mel-naum,  er,  melnorme got them) and stuff were all over the SC1 full game. Just cause sc2 didn't have you finding them every two seconds doesn't mean they weren't there. Your precursor ship didn't seem to have under surface scanners. The ships in SC1 might have before the Ur-Quan leveled galactic civilization. (okay, that's a weak excuse,  but still plausable.)
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2003, 11:37:18 pm »

Don't forget that in SC1 you can find precursor mines and colonies (don't have any special effects in the game, but they're free mines and colonies w/o any need to build them), so they did live on the planets  - or at least made colonies that others might use in the future.
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« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2003, 12:42:32 am »

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There could be just as many underground or under a ocean, or just got smashed along the way.

Remember when the Ur-Quan sent a beam of destruction down onto the Antarctic to destroy whatever was hidden below?  Hehe.  Draw your own conlusions.

The precursors' remains are legendary.  Not only did they leave the galaxy with rainbow planets and artefacts of the sort, but they were the ones who 'pioneered' space travel and technology.

In fact, even though Star Control 3 destroys much of the precursor myth in the story, Star Control 2 hints that the Precurors left their technology around so as to defeat some "greater threat"...  I like to think that the Precursors were amazing scientists who were confronted with the idea of war and were forced to build the Sa-Matra, the Precursor Bomb, etc... other than that, they seem like your average, god-like alien race that everyon looks up to.
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« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2003, 07:25:18 pm »

Now, didn't someone on a different thread (different board?) mention that the blast of the Ur-Quan in the Antartic,  along with a few other "odd" targets, might be inline with the Cthulu (sp?) mythos. Perhaps they were targeting sites of precursor artifacts, and perhaps Ur-Quan artifacts. I don't know.
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« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2003, 01:24:44 am »

Yes, it is hinted that Earth has Precursor technology buried within its depths.

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Eh?
I hope I misunderstood the context of this paragraph.

The Spathi are xenophobic creatures, well, they fear everything actually. It's not unreasonable that they'd conclude the Precursors invented an invisibility shield. But it's obviously fiction. The Precursors never did such thing; they travelled towards the center of the galaxy for some unknown reason.

(and ""sc3"" doesn't exist! Tongue)
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« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2003, 02:35:57 am »

I think every race has their own unique explanation as to the fate of the Precursors.  It's funny to see the Spathi's explanation, which obviously paints them as creatures similar in thought path to the Spathi.  I think P&F are trying to point out how each race has their hypotheses and the Precursors effect them in different ways.
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« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2003, 01:18:06 am »

True, but aside from the exaggerating Spathi, the rest of the races scientifically point out that the Precursors disappeared - towards the center of the galaxy.
They sure as hell didn't create an invisibility shield.

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« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2003, 02:59:56 pm »

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Mm. Maybe the Precursors became *slippery* and found some *fingers* that they weren't supposed to, nessisating the need to flee or become *happy campers*?
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« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2003, 09:49:48 pm »

If the Precursors knew anything about the Orz it was because they travelled to other dimensions. The Orz make it obvious that TrueSpace is completely new to them.

I like the idea that a lot of Precursor tech could just be disguised as regular stuff. Maybe as they progressed technologically they tried to see if they could make things more and more like the galaxy around them, which is why they "made" the Rainbow Worlds. Heh, their trip to the galactic core could've been an attempt to ascertain whether they could make a galaxy! Ha, that's highly unlikely but thought provoking nonetheless.

And about Spathi fear... it goes beyond merely everything. Every Thing implies all that exists, but the Spathi even fear things that don't exist. The classic example:

As yet, the Ultimate Evil remains largely unmanifest, and its powers and exact intentions are still a bit obscure since it lurks just outside the range of even the most sensitive, long-range detectors which we feel gives conclusive evidence as to The Ultimate Evil's nefarious intent.
So they've never seen it and they don't know anything about it... and so whatever it is it must be EVIL! Gotta love those Spathi, they're one of my favorite races. =)
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