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FakeMccoy
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People who think that spelling mistakes especially for a completely fictional realm are a valid arguments for anything are obviously only here to troll. If you want to write a storyline that agrees with all the suggestions that 20+ people have made along with speech dialogues then go ahead, I've been looking for a team. There is a difference between a spelling mistake and a compulsion to typo. No writer worth his salt would continually typo the primary subject matter that he or she is actually writing. Once tor twice? That's a mistake. Yet to consistently fail to spell virtually any alien race name? You are either trolling or you lack any and all coherent writing ability.
While I do enjoy writing, attempting to work with someone who takes no pride in his work or makes little to no effort to compose it... No, just no. It would be like group projects in school. The stupid kid would expect the real writers to do all the work. Obviously I was referring to Next Generation, another strawman. There's two versions of klingons and you purposely used s strawman to state I was talking about the klingon that completely contradicted with my description of them which is completely coherent with the Next Generation version. I think you should quit trolling while you're ahead. Oh, yes. So obvious that your "Clingons" were merely the Klingons of Star Trek The Next Generation rather than The Original Series or the transition from TOS version into TNG version. Or, you know, not. The Klingons, even in The Next Generation, were still attempts at emulating Russian stereotypes. Relucant allies with the Federation. Claiming to be honorable yet still maintaining assassinations and sneak attacks. Even their state of the art technology looking like space junk. Basically, US/Western thoughts on the Russian Federation.
Why would I go up to a random person and tell them they're honorable or a warrior? You don't quite grasp what a stereotype is, do you? Only an idiot BELIEVES a stereotype applies to everyone.
If you have no idea who they are and you tell someone they are an honorable warrior just because they are Japanese, that's definitely racist. If on the other hand you told any random person on the street they were an honorable warrior, they would probably keep walking and think you're some weirdo.
To ANY friend, if I knew his or her family's military background? I'd gladly tell them that their brother/uncle/cousin was more than honorable and noble when he sacrificed himself to save his friends and squad mates by throwing himself on a grenade to take the blade. I'd gladly tell them their great grandfather was a hero for going down with his plane to deliever the torpedo that sunk an enemy battlecruiser. This is no matter which side they fought on. Why? Because it takes guts to make those kinds of sacrifices. It's a courage many of us wish we had, might even say we have, but if push came to shove we would be either seeking cover and letting Private Jimmy take the shards of the grenade or turning the fighter-bomber around to save our own skin.
Which is exactly what I said before, you can quote me saying that every army in the world has brave people who would sacrifice themselves, that's why it shouldn't be a stereotype of Japanese people, but rather just a recognition that every side has their own heroes and there is no need to view strictly Japanese people in that sense.
Also, I hate to break it to you, but a "BUTT" projectile that makes a farting sound and a dildo-shaped rocket ship flown by crews of only women are not "subtle".
I didn't know it was called BUTT missile until after the first time playing the game through, nor did I notice the long ship was called the penetrator, they are subtle things you have to look for in the dialogue that a particular race only mentions once.
You know, you remind me a lot of a troll over on the old solar-outpost forums (before the admin lost the domain much later on and a porn site bought it out, much like Starcontrol.com for awhile). I think he went by Chenjesu or Slylandro. Same writing style, same nonsensical ramblings. Except he was talking about eating fungus, deep children, and rainbow worlds. Damned drug addled freak he seemed to be.
You can have admins cross check the ip addresses if you want.
No one has doubt that you submitted your drivel. We all just realize it is poorly written and the plot lines are utter garbage.
If Project 6014 wishes to lower themselves to your standards, well... They'll certainly be going the way of Timewarp.
If your such a great writer then get off your ass and help complete the project, other-wise accept the fact that writing something seriously will often include "drafts".
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danzibr
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Well... Tolkien did rename dwarfs to dwarves.
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Grand Master Planet Eater
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You might as well call the depiction of the Syreen sexist/misogynistic, even though it's just meant to mock tropes of old sci-fi with "(random colored)-skin space babes".
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FakeMccoy
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You might as well call the depiction of the Syreen sexist/misogynistic, even though it's just meant to mock tropes of old sci-fi with "(random colored)-skin space babes".
Well maybe it was the intent of the Syreen to be sexist, they seem to be doing fine as a matriarchal society. Unlike with the Shofixty, the Syreen were made specifically because they wanted to depict a possibly sexist and matriarchal society, whereas with the Shofixti they wanted to emulate a "noble" race but then after that the writers assumed the best way to represent nobility was with Japanese culture, they didn't want to depict the Shofixti as Japanese first, but by assuming that the way to represent nobility is through Japanese culture, they stereotyped. It's not like anyone was trying to be racist, they were just careless about stereotypes that don't actually cohere to any specific culture of people.
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FakeMccoy
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That's strange, that's exactly how I feel when I read your posts. I guess you share the same feeling about them after actually reason what you said.
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ur dern tuten teh gud egish ant nedid u dnd ned 2 b gud ridur it ok iem gud ritur enewae cuz u cin liek git it lol
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FakeMccoy
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ur dern tuten teh gud egish ant nedid u dnd ned 2 b gud ridur it ok iem gud ritur enewae cuz u cin liek git it lol
"You're darn tooten; good English isn't needed. You don't need to be a good writer. I'ts okay, I'm a good writer anyway because you can get what I'm saying."
It's like some kind of delusion, or many people here have some kind of weird fetish for trolling. Spelling doesn't make a story good or bad, it's what the content conveys, which is why it doesn't matter if you don't spell things perfectly as long as you can be understood at the level you desire. In general it's better to use proper English because you can convey a higher level of detail, however misspelling one letter of a few words when people have been telling stories without written language for thousands of years doesn't prove anything. In fact, I bet you could even do some kind of poetry by writing in the manner you tried. If Andy Worhal proved that anything can be art, then even the worst English in the world can convey something deeper if you put enough effort into it which I bet is something you never expected.
Here's another suggestion: Instead of people wasting all their energy calling my first draft which is 3 weeks old (which I have already moved on from 2.5 weeks ago and am on draft 4 which is completely different and more than half way done with), people actually help Damon and his 70 hour work week and Nico and his effort to get a masters degree to actually put effort into writing yourself what would make the p6014 storyline better after looking at the wiki suggestions. That is, if you care about p6014 and the SC series more than trolling. On top of that, we need dialogues for races written a well, and if you think a first draft is my prelude to a final product, since neither of the project leaders really dislike me, why don't you put more energy into writing a completed and better plot line and dialogues so that your stuff gets put in over mine?
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onpon4
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Actually, you have something of a point: it's a logical fallacy (though I'm not sure which one) to assume that because you are a bad speller, you are therefore bad at writing stories. But it doesn't reflect well on you if you insist on spelling "Shofixti" wrong on multiple occasions. It suggests that you are either stubborn, not paying attention, or extremely lazy. None of these qualities are good qualities for writers to have.
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A good writer is *highly* unlikely to be unable to write coherently and correctly. Can you point me to a single post of yours that does not contain at least one mispelling or run-on sentence?
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I detect no fallacy in onpon4's response. Nobody said writers need to be perfect, however if your work is so heavily affected by the aforementioned qualities, you shouldn't expect anything good coming from people you're addressing with it.
In other words, the consistent misspelling conveys only that you -- while claiming witch such a conviction that you're a writer -- don't give a shit about the quality of your writing. You've been critiqued numerous times for your work by numerous critics, but instead of a rational response e.g. "Okay guys I'll fix this" then presenting an improved product, you blame others and make up excuses for your failure.
Presenting updated versions would be very easy, but you refuse to do such a thing and try to cover behind the concept of drafting -- a defense that might work in case you're working with pen and paper, but in an age and situation where editable digital medium is at your hand it's none less than obvious bullshit.
When it comes to you, bullshitting regularly comes in a package deal with constructing erroneous arguments, this time about the ancient traditions of storytelling. Rather than doing the more reasonable and less labour intensive solution of correcting yourself, you sweep the responsibility over to the reader saying "it's fine as long as it sounds English". It's not. Writing is not telling or vice versa. Writing was invented for a reason, which is to make records more accurate and reliable than oral accounts. Reliability is an important component of making records, that's why there are rules to writing, ensuring the right spelling and grammar. Those who read are reading with these rules in mind, and becoming distracted by errors, and beyond a certain level of tolerance are simply annoyed by them. Now, as an alleged writer, is your goal to distract or annoy your readers? I guess not, because allegedly you made a record of your ideas to be reviewed and discussed by other forum members. So here's an advice: make it reviewable and discussable!
However if you insist arguing with how correct writing is not important, here's an alternative solution from someone who does give a shit: don't write, and don't call yourself a writer! If you have such a confidence in your theory, then for you it's more effective to tell us your story orally, and call yourself a "storyteller".
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FakeMccoy
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I detect no fallacy in onpon4's response. Nobody said writers need to be perfect, however if your work is so heavily affected by the aforementioned qualities, you shouldn't expect anything good coming from people you're addressing with it.
I didn't say onpon specifically had that fallacy, I said "it would be a fallacy say..." in case he or someone else would mention it later. It's fine if people don't have things "good" to say as long as the criticism is constructive. Trolling because of a few spelling errors does not fit that category, at least on the more mature SC2 forum I actually got constructive criticism about specifically what was wrong with it and it helped me develop a better plotline.
In other words, the consistent misspelling conveys only that you -- while claiming witch such a conviction that you're a writer -- don't give a shit about the quality of your writing.
I definitely don't care about the quality of a first rough draft, first drafts are just to get an idea down.
You've been critiqued numerous times for your work by numerous critics
Which I've taken into consideration to make a 4th draft.
Presenting updated versions would be very easy
I was told specifically second hand from Damon by the original creator of p6014 to stop posting content regarding p6014 in a pubic-ally accessible manner because they felt too much information was being revealed.
Writing was invented for a reason, which is to make records more accurate and reliable than oral accounts.
In the first written language, there were ancient versions of "ya mama jokes". And, the purpose of writing being to record has nothing to do with the fact that you can have a good story without a single writen word. If you want to record it, that's fine, but it doesn't make a story good or bad to write it down. In fact if it get's modified over time, it may even become better.
So here's an advice: make it reviewable and discussable!
Misspelling a few fiction races by one or at most two letters does not make an entire document unreadable. Just more ramblings of a troll.
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