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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2003, 01:44:13 am »

i was talking with my uncle, and he brought up a goodpoint.
even if saddam doesnt have a major arsenal of destruction. whos to stop terriosts from getting there hands on small amounts of chem,bio, or nukes that he does have. it only takes less than a pound of raidoactive substance to be detonated with dynomite to make a nasty dirty bomb. it may only cover a small area but it would be enough to disrupt our lives for years to come. or how about an outbreak of of a serious disease. anthrax is nothing comparied to bio engineered super bug. even diseases that do exsist without our help like, ebola, small pox, ect... are deadly in there own right. and lastly, chem weapons, everyones seem the movie THE ROCK, staring sean conery.(yes i know using a movie is not real life, but theres no stanger fiction than real life). that could be a possibilty too.

do i think a war with iraq is justfied? NO
why?what? but i thought you said...
give the UN  more time, thats something we didnt do. and if hes hiding something, go in, remove it and remove him, but do it with proof. so far ive seen little in the way of "hand in the coockie jar" proof.

bush has got the "small man" syndrone. hes trying to live up to his big old daddy and finish the job his daddy started but didnt finish. "hey dad look at me!, im a big president now!"
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2003, 02:07:18 am »

Indeed- the complexities of this situation go beyond those seen in any game I've ever heard of.
Let's call it quits...
Maybe in a few days we can have a discussion of how the war went.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2003, 02:50:20 am »

By then, thousands of Iraqi civilians will be visiting the spirits that the Pkunk talk to...  Tongue  Thankfully, people protested and took action before the war instead of reacting as people often do.  Too bad the Pkunk values of peace, love and harmony don't apply in our world...  Sad
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2003, 03:04:20 am »

Iraqi citizens will only die if U.S. soldiers have to capture a city.

In response to your Pkunk "peace love and harmony" let me respond (As GN requested!) with a quote from the Spathi!

"Peace, as you call it is an illusion..."
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2003, 12:35:26 am »

The Ur-Quan Hierarchy (UH)brought peace and stability to this section of the galaxy, but one member, the Mycon had a hidden agenda.

The Mycon realized that there was a possibility that certain Non were un-voidable.  When they faced the un-voidable Non, they joined the Non, until they have enough power to void the Non.  Thus, the Mycon joined the UH.

Luckily, the Earthlings and Syreen (Both members of the UH) discovered what the Mycon were planning:  The Mycon used weapons of mass destruction - Deep Children - which rip planets' crusts apart, releasing the magma.  

The rest of the UH was clearly in favor of letting the Mycon continue in their abyssmal practices, but the Earthlings and Syreen (together with a rag-tag fleet of other races like the Spathi, Pkunk, Thraddash, etc.) went to war to stop the Mycon from destroying more verdant worlds.

Some will say that the whole war was started as a way for the Earthling Captain of the Mark I to get his hands on the Mycon's source of power, the Sun Device.  This was just a happy side-effect.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2003, 01:48:17 am »

Nice story, but it doesn't match the situation IRL very closely. Namely, the relative power levels of Human/Syreen, Mycon, and rest of UH.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2003, 11:14:55 pm »

I would argue that (fleet strengths aside) it matches the RL political wranglings almost exactly.  And since I agree with you that the fleet strengths don't match (earth didn't even have a fleet, but they did have a whopper of a weapons-platform), let me say that I don't believe that makes any difference.  Even f the earthlings started out the game with one billion Chmmr Avatars, I would still want to kick some Mycon butt because:
1) The Mycon are Dangerous
2) The Mycon admit they are dangerous
3) The Mycon admit that they act nice until they're ready to kill you
4) Even if the Mycon could never reach Earth, my protective insticts would make me want to prevent another disaster like Syra.
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5) Diplomacy with the Mycon is useless because their leaders are a bit loopy in the head.

"We have come to your homeworld to seek a truce."
"Let's be friends."
"Mycon. Please try to understand. We wish peace between our peoples."
"Why are you unwilling to address my questions?"
"You're not paying any attention to me, are you?"
"I don't suppose there's a chance that you'll actually respond to what I am saying, is there?"
"Helloo? Ugly! Can you hear me?"
"Heinous fungus! Submit to our will!"

Juffo-Wup fills in my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues.

"Where's the Absorbine Junior when you need it?"
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2003, 02:36:45 am »

I respect that argumentation and really like the quotes from the hunams when trying to talk to them.
I don't see anything wrong with killing fungus in my shower (better: preventing it from settling there) or eating mushrooms nicely steamed with a delicious buttered sauce - it still is a damn mycon-sibling of some sort which can be eradicated.
That's why - as a hunam or Earthling - would like to kick Mycon butt whenever I encounter one...

BUT: Let's not forget (not saying that anyone is!) that in RL, it's real living, breathing human beings we're talking about (and as perverted as it is, are able to watch dying in a live -dead?- broadcast on TV).

I hope that everything will be over soon without too many lives lost - each life is one too many. And noone but the "Great Spirit in the Sky" makes the call (okay, maybe the Pkunk could tell us something, but they remain silent and just offer us a sad smile...)
Peace to all who still find time to post here without hatred!
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2003, 05:10:40 am »

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You could also see America as doing what Germany did to Poland in 1938.  I guess it all depends on how you spin it...


Germany invaded, captured, and proceeded to inflict genocide on Polish Jews.

America plans to invade, take out a dictatorship that pretty much everyone agrees is evil, and proceed to (try to, at least..) set up a new democratic government.

...how exactly can you spin it to make them the same?
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2003, 05:32:58 am »

Scott, you're again getting way off topic! Let's keep it UQM-style, please!

Makes me wonder: Why hasn't anybody mentioned the Zebrankies' fate yet?
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2003, 10:41:41 am »

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The great injustice is how Saddam treats his people.  I only wish we'd ousted him back in Desert Storm.  As for the war brewing today, I wish it could be avoided but Saddam is an evil man and should be dealt with as such.



Just because Saddam is a bad man, doesnt give the USA the right to break the law.

George Bush should be tried in a court for war crimes.

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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2003, 10:52:10 am »

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Germany invaded, captured, and proceeded to inflict genocide on Polish Jews.

America plans to invade, take out a dictatorship that pretty much everyone agrees is evil, and proceed to (try to, at least..) set up a new democratic government.

...how exactly can you spin it to make them the same?



The United States of America IS a foreign aggressor.
They are INVADING another country.
Call it liberation if you want to, they are moving into a country of which they have NO jurasdiction.

They have NO legal backing, and NO United Nations backing.

They are invaders.

If doesnt matter a BIT what George Bush thinks.
It doesnt matter HOW just their cause is, the USA simply DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to invade another country.
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2003, 03:25:26 pm »

I agree.  There's a world of difference morally between stepping in to end a war, and starting a war.  I'd like to see most of the administration/legislature/joint cheifs lined up and shot as traitors for this, but those who make the rules can (and do) usually get away with breaking them.

However, an Iraqi expatriate said something that has really left me conflicted -- He said that Saddam was not elected president, he was an "agent of the West", installed by foreign powers against the will of the people.  He reasoned that therefore it was the duty of the West to remove him, since the locals could not.

And now for a completely specious SC2 comparison:

It's as though somebody came along years ago and dropped this ULTIMATE EVIL on the poor Spath-er-Iraqi, who found themselves no match for its cunning and ferocity; and whose only hope for the return of their homeland rested with a powerful foreign player.
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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2003, 09:38:27 pm »

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Iraqi citizens will only die if U.S. soldiers have to capture a city.


I don't think that massive bombing by pre-Vietnam-war technology (the B52 bomber) can prevent the deaths of many Iraqi citizens.  In fact, I'd argue that bombings would and will kill more civilians than any infantry ground strike could.
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2003, 11:49:47 pm »

I agree - especially since the laser guided stuff will have a very hard time with all that smoke. Of course, Saddam may be slowly murdering his own people en masse with respiratory failure due to living inside a smoke screen for days on end.

Which is worse? Whose fault is it? Saddam, for doing it - Bush, for putting him in the situation where he felt that he had to.
That kind of sums it up...
Next question - will this war cost few enough civilian casualties that simply not having Saddam in power will make up for the losses quickly (since an ensuing government will probably be much healthier to live under than Saddam's...)?

Who knows...
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