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About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« on: March 18, 2003, 10:07:16 pm »

okay, i haven't asked this question to the new 3do version, it's just something i just remembered i asked the starbase commander along ago in the pc version, also i'm not quite sure if that what it was, and what it's purpose perfectly, anyway my question is: when u ask them about the earth history or something he tells u that before the urquan left our world(after enslaving it) they destroyed every region which was older then 2000 years(or so) -- the question is why?? i'm not sure if the commander told u anything about it.
so can someone tell me why?
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2003, 10:45:15 pm »

Some speculation here has suggested that either
A) they are destroying all likely precursor artifact sites, or
B) they are destroying our historical record so that we will (hopefully) cease to think of ourselves as having independance from them.

I do not see how the latter option would really succeed.

Also, I am wondering what tech level is available down on the surface. I heard that it was pre-atomic, but... well, most of our technology doesn't rely on nuclear power per se, but does rely on QM. So they could be resuming the information age, sans nukes and sans space travel and with a reduced effectiveness of solar power.
This is likely especially since the UQ would need the space station crews to be competent...
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2003, 03:29:25 am »

maybe their just being jerks, and thought that we must have had a reason to keep them up, like we thought quite a bit of them or something, so they just decided to blow them up
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2003, 10:18:59 pm »

"You mean his entire SPECIES are jerks?" -- A Zoq, Fot, or Pik (I think it was a Pik)

haha, sorry but your comment made me think of that quote.

I believe the Ur-Quan had a few good reasons for blowing up those structures. By the way, they destroyed any structure older than 500 years of age.

1) To annihilate Earth's history (the Commander himself says, "In those two days, we lost most of the history of mankind."). This is mainly a psychological attack. As the Ur-Quan plan to dominate Earth well into eternity, we have to look at the long-term implications of this attack. With little to no past to look to, humans would basically be forced to restart their "history" at that point. Several hundreds of years later, people will believe that their history only really started shortly before being conquered by the Ur-Quan simply because there will be no alternative option. Thus humanity as a whole would be much less likely to consider any way of life other than the one the Ur-Quan forces upon them because they're used to it. It's amazing what people can get used to.

2) To possibly destroy lost human technology. Modern progress has infused human beings with the arrogance of believing that our modern cultures are in every way superior to past cultures. This isn't necessarily true. For example, take a look at some of the ancient central american stone structures. Using (we assume) only very simple tools, they were able to shape stones to fit together so well that they were virtually air-tight. No lasers, no computers, no concrete, none of that stuff. We cannot duplicate this procedure -- it is lost to us. It wouldn't have to stay lost if we were to study it... but that couldn't happen if it was destroyed. Who knows what simple yet relevant improvements we could make to modern construction techniques if we could rediscover this lost lore? The Ur-Quan probably realized this potential so they did something about it. This would ultimately make humans more dependant on the Ur-Quan.

3) I'm not sure the Ur-Quan would destroy Precursor artifacts if they could help it. I believe it's more likely that they would try to excavate them. After all, they can basically chalk their success up to the discovery of a Precursor battle-platform. Still, if there was no chance for them to acquire the artifacts, it would be better to destroy them than to let humans get them.

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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2003, 12:26:29 am »

Intersting point there Matticus. We've all assumed that the Quan blasted Earth to destroy historical sites and possibly precursor tech. But having defeated us, they should have been able to extract any prectech without trouble. So it can't have been that can it?
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2003, 03:40:24 am »

Maybe the Ur-Quan thought that destroying our historical artifacts would make us weaker in morale compared to them,
just kinda an F.U. human race, we're your masters now.
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2003, 05:58:18 am »

As Hayes puts it, they wanted to make damn sure we got the message.

Humanity kept on fighting back even long after they knew they were beaten, which personally I have to admire. The Ur-Quan, on the other hand, I am sure were rather pissed.

Humans were tying up resources they needed elsewhere to take on the Kohr-Ah with, after all.

I believe what they did in terms of blowing apart all of humanity's structures was an object lesson. A way to break humanity's collective spirits because the race was such an insistent troublemaker.

The structures that noone knew about, I imagine were lost structures made by humans in their forgotten history. Much like several forgotten pyramids in Egypt, long forgotten and lost.
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2003, 07:53:55 am »

It's not just humanity they blast though.  Any race, slave shielded or battle thrall, seems to get the same treatment.  The spathi say something to the effect of "portions of accepting our surrender involved blasting large portions of the surface of the planet into radioactive dust"

Blasting it for precursor relics seems incorrect.  The message the ur-quan send is quite clear - evacuate anything older then 2000 years, I believe.  maybe shorter.

It's a pure, cultural attack.  If we forget our history, forget our origins, we also forget our identity.  They are erasing our history so we'll forget what we are, what we were, and then we will become what they tell us to be.
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2003, 11:51:19 pm »

aliens from the past built them
there was something in the sea they blasted
maybe new tec to help get out or something
iv been trying to fig that out for years
i cant fig out why they blasted that tower in france
it was built in 1800 or 1900
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2003, 12:26:45 am »

First of all, it was any structure older than 500 years - so not very old, considering.

And things that were vaporized included a large swathe of the Atlantic ocean floor, stonehenge, etc...

Atlantic ocean floor?  Could they perhaps be wiping out Atlantis?

It seems to me that whatever they're doing, it is likely to be intended to prevent the humans escaping, and to deal a moral blow to humanity.

Perhaps a lot of these old, 'mystic' places got close to achieving some sort of power that could be dangerous to the Ur-Quan?  Guess we'll never know...
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2003, 03:26:10 am »

I have always wondered this my self, your ideas are good but I have one question, I remember readint that the Ur-Quan fleet spent a fair amount of time shooting at the south pole, what would have been there hiden deep in the ice?
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2003, 04:34:43 am »

Perhaps there were some precursor artifacts around earth, including under the ice in antartica.

Otherwise, it seems logical that the Ur-Quan would destroy any old buildings to crush the human will to resist... increasing their obedience to their new masters. Annighilating culture so that a new slave culture emerges.
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2003, 03:17:39 pm »

Well, some ppl believe that the lost city of atlantis lies hidden beneath one of the poles, having been shifted there during the cometstrike that reversed the poles and wiped out the Atlantis culture.
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2003, 01:08:04 pm »

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Perhaps a lot of these old, 'mystic' places got close to achieving some sort of power that could be dangerous to the Ur-Quan?  Guess we'll never know...


That's an interesting thought. Maybe all those sites were somehow connected to psi capabilities or evolutionary progress of humans in the guise of magic or mysticism (and possibly connected to the Arilou).
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Re: About the Commander telling u about the Urquan
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2003, 12:28:45 am »

I kinda doubt the UrQuan would have knowingly destroyed *useful* precursor artifacts.  Recall that the UrQuan were described by the Melnorme as being great explorers.  If there were artifacts that could pose a serious threat, like a Mark n ship for example, they'd know about it.  Destroying human historical stuff was likely a demoralizing thing.

The antartic is an inhospitible place.  It's a good place to train for surviving non-earth environments if you were trapped under the slave shield.  By blasting the hell out of it, it would make exploration difficult, at least until the ice reformed.  This would further make humans noobs when it comes to space exploration and hence posing a threat to the UrQuan and hierarchy in space.
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