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Topic: What do you guys think about these tax percentages? (Read 9313 times)
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Julie.chan
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No, the reason everyone dislikes paying taxes is exactly the same: you're forced to part with some of your money. It affects poor people worse when it does (that effect being not having adequate food, housing, etc and/or having to work even longer hours), but that doesn't change the core reason that everyone wants to choose how to spend their own money.
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Zanthius
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No, the reason everyone dislikes paying taxes is exactly the same: you're forced to part with some of your money. It affects poor people worse when it does (that effect being not having adequate food, housing, etc and/or having to work even longer hours), but that doesn't change the core reason that everyone wants to choose how to spend their own money.
Their own money? I don't know if everybody even regard taxes as "their own money". I think many Europeans think of it as their civic duty to pay taxes, and have a very good understanding of all the communal benefits they get from paying taxes. In the Netherlands (where Scalare comes from), I think they have free dental care, and most European countries have more or less free public health care. Lots of Europeans attend to free public schools, and tuition free universities.
Why don't you Americans worry a bit more about what you are spending money on instead? Like here for example, is a price comparison of some pharmaceutical drugs in different countries:
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Scalare
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We don't have free healthcare or free dental care, we pay like E120 each month for obligatory health care insurance.
I think the only country with free healthcare is the UK.
I don't see taxes as debilitatingly harsh, just as a 'neccesary evil'.
You don't see stuff like in detroit in the Netherlands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jijRIFpSbRY
But we're moving more and more to a neo-liberal society. Which sucks.
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Death 999
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The 'computer' and 'vacation' examples weren't exactly great, but Zanthius' idea does remain - everyone can be concerned about their tax burden, but this tax burden is more pressing on the poor.
That said, I think that a large part of the question of what is done with it applies regardless of how much is being paid. It's a purity thing. People don't want to be involved with things they disapprove of. If I pay $1 in taxes, $100, or $100 000, that massively changes the amount of my contribution but it doesn't necessarily change the feeling that I contributed to everything the government did.
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Anyway, I'm very happy with how cool things have stayed here despite the political nature. Keep it up!
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Death 999
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Any tax burden, basically, so long as marginal taxes don't go up above 100%, nor increase rapidly from very low to very high. Peoples' need for money is marginally greatest at none, and falls off from there. This is why we don't tax the poorest at all - we'd barely get anything out of it and it would hurt them a lot.
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Zanthius
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Since I cannot publish the manuscript in any journal about politics (since it is too broad and doesn't go sufficiently into detail), I am thinking about writing much more narrow and detailed essays for some of the points. I think the first essay is going to be about why we need international tax regulations to prevent increasing global wealth inequality. Because the main right-wing argument in almost every country for less taxes for the rich is that less taxes for the rich will attract more businesses, and give a competitive advantage against other countries. Yeah, all of that is true, but that is also why wealth inequality continues to increase....
Of course the red-minded only seems to care about the red argument, while the blue-minded only seems to care about the blue argument. But both arguments are equally valid, and that is why we need international tax regulations.
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I'd swap the colors to make them line up with the usual colors assigned to the parties.
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You can certainly ask them if they need any help, though, or find something else that fewer people are working on.
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Zanthius
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I have added a new subsection about local involvement:
I think a common theme in my manuscript, is that people need to be involved to make a society functional/healthy. When cells in a human body become alienated from the body, they turn carcinogenic. When people feel alienated from the government, they tend to vote for people like Donald Trump.
Anyhow. So tomorrow is the big day. I guess you are all going to celebrate his inauguration?
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