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Zanthius
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I wasn't thinking about the politics, just about why people often continue to believe in falsified explanations after they are proven wrong. I found this article which addresses the same issue (http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/09/23/why-do-we-believe-lies-even-after-they-are-proven-wrong/45002.html), but I don't know if there exists any theory which describes why we get hurt from having our cherished beliefs proven wrong, and why it is so difficult for us to let go of a cherished belief even after it has been proven wrong. I will try to read a bit on the link you gave me.
It seems quite irrational to get hurt when proven wrong. A more rational reaction might actually be to get happy. At least falsified beliefs would disappear faster from our civilization then. So it is kinda weird that we haven't evolved to get happy when proven wrong.
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Regarding the Bayesian induction engine. I am taking a course in machine learning offered by Standford University at https://www.coursera.org now. They also have a course there about Bayesian Statistics which I am going to take afterwards.
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There is a lot of attitude that we have it all right now, we are on the right track, and all of humanity before us was a clusterf* of ignorance and bigotry.
Does that seem like a strange sort of arrogance to anyone else? After all, it involves making virtually everyone from history into villains, while touting our new "tolerance" morality structure as the supreme good. It ignores the real lessons of history, particularly the narrow-sightedness of any group of people during their own short time on earth, and elevates our present generation to an absurd pedestal of superior understanding.
Does anyone else feel like this ideology is the supreme expression of arrogance? Do the extreme conflicts within it raise any eyebrows? I know the thread has devolved into treating the human mind like a computer that needs to be reprogrammed, but I'm responding more to the original direction of the thread.
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Zanthius
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There is a lot of attitude that we have it all right now, we are on the right track, and all of humanity before us was a clusterf* of ignorance and bigotry.
Well, that is not entirely true. Societies started to become patriarchal some thousand years ago, and discrimination of women came as a consequence of patriarchy. There isn't much evidence of discrimination against women before the first patriarchal societies formed. Discrimination against homosexuals seems to have come even later. There was acceptance for homosexuality in ancient Greece, and early Buddhist texts don't seem to discriminate against homosexuals.
Ethnic discrimination might always have existed. Even in the lower paleolithic era, when humans lived in small groups, they might occasionally have acquired slaves from other groups. There might have been widespread discrimination against Neanderthals, which caused them to go extinct. Anyhow, do you really think it is arrogance to argue against slavery and discrimination, just because it has been common for most of human history?
This way of arguing seems similar to: "Religions can't be all wrong since so many people believe in them". Also then, according to your way of thinking, the first atheists must have been extremely arrogant. But isn't intellectual arrogance more about your unwillingness to listen to arguments from other people? If you listen to other people, but find errors in their ways of thinking, is that also arrogance?
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Zanthius
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Btw. Here are some of the courses I have signed up for at http://www.coursera.org. Great site! And for most of the courses you only need to pay if you want a diploma.
The University of Leiden even have a course about what I thought about regarding taxes:
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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