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« on: March 30, 2003, 01:40:33 am »

got a few questions for you all,

1) Are the Mael-Num the Melnorme? PONAF brought this one up, I dunno, what do you think

2) Have the Drall and the Orz met? Maybe the Drall, being humanoid in appearance, sparked the first use of the word *camper*? Also, I beleive the Orz had connections with the Taalo, so maybe they had connections with the rest of the Milleu?

3) Location of the Faz homeworld? No idea, you got any?
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2003, 07:08:56 am »

1) According to the Fred/Paul chatlog on PONAF, the Mael-Num are indeed the Melnorme. I consider that to be straight from the horse's mouth. =)

2) If the Drall and Orz ever met it would be because the Drall travelled to or communicated with other dimensions. It's clear that the Orz are newcomers to TrueSpace.

3) Short answer: I don't know.

Long answer: I've read a few theories about connections between the Faz and the Utwig but I don't remember any of the specifics. Besides that, according tp the Melnorme only a "few" of the Milieu worlds were located in the local region of space. One of them is the Taalo homeworld but it's unknown which of the other races originated from the general area. The Melnorme say:

Just over twenty thousand years ago when your ancestors were learning to chart the course of the moon and stars on animal horns the Sentient Milieu spanned five hundred light years and included the membership of a hundred worlds.
Whether each world had its own unique race or if that includes colonies is unknown, as is exactly how many of those worlds were local. I doubt the Faz are local, as you can check every star system in the game and not find them under a slave shield.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2003, 08:07:14 am »

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Whether each world had its own unique race or if that includes colonies is unknown, as is exactly how many of those worlds were local. I doubt the Faz are local, as you can check every star system in the game and not find them under a slave shield.


Yea, I know, I was just curious if there was a blurb in the script (which i am too lazy to read) or if Paul or Fred mentioned anything of it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2003, 01:50:22 am »

The connection between the Utwig and Fahz is a ttenous one at the very best, and I have to say that I find it very unlikely. It's simply built on the fact that the Homeworld of the Utwig is called Fahz. Whic is kinda like the race name of the Faz..

The quote being :

"A truly unique set of events put you in your current state. Am I right?"
Hah, to say the least!
Our past is one of both a glorious and proud people coupled with a cataclysm that rocks the Universe
to its very core!
It all began when the Chimt rose from the Murky Bog and the Utwig emerged as well.
In these primitive times we cavorted about our world oblivious to any sort of higher purpose
we took everything at face value.
Meanwhile, the tendrils of the Chimt infiltrated the vast sky canopies of Fahz and then the veils fell!
Suddenly, the Utwig were stunned by a collective realization!
All immediately and urgently donned veils of every description! "

It continues for a bit, but that's the important part here. Some believe that the Chimt infilltrating the sky canopies has something to do with brining down the slave shield... I must say I don't really believe that though, but that's a persona lopinion of course...
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2003, 08:52:27 pm »

Did you ever think what would Humans say if they were visited by an alien race?

"It all began when this primate threw a rock and it lighted fire, and then nomadic tribes started setteling down and harvesting the land, and ..."

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2003, 09:26:14 pm »

I think it'd go more like : It all began when this litte green guy with shiny eyes came down from the skys and taught us that food is good, and that sticks can be used to get more food.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2003, 02:39:57 am »

Imagine the poor alien!

"All I remember is crash-landing on this weird planet where the sky is blue and the ground is green...  then they abducted me, and-  and- ... it was horrible!"

If aliens ever observed our society, I'm sure they'd be solemnly disappointed.
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2003, 02:52:42 am »

Yeah, after all it has been said that the best proof of extraterrestrial intelligence is the fact that they HAVEN'T showed up here.
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2003, 07:23:13 am »

...That doesn't make a lot of sense to me... at all... seeing as if they DID show up here, that would be complete and utter proof.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2003, 05:08:17 pm »

It's kind of an ironic and funny comment. See, if they are intelligent, they wouldn't want to come here in the first place, seeing as this place is such a mess.  So if you believe in the theory that there is intelligent life out there (based on whatshamaxcalled it's equation, or whatever), then them not appearing here is good evidence of that they are very bright.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2003, 09:36:33 pm »

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So if you believe in the theory that there is intelligent life out there (based on whatshamaxcalled it's equation, or whatever)


Drake's equation.
Probability of intelligent life being anywhere = (1 - probability of life being at any particular star) ^ number of stars

probability of life being at any particular star = probability of star having planet in range allowing liquid water * probability of having necessary elements * probability of spontaneous generation * probability of evolving to sentience


the problem is, though the first two of these probabilities can be constrained and seem to be pretty high, the latter two are very very uncertain. spontaneous generation at any one instant in any one place is very very unlikely, but when you're trying in googols of places all over the galaxy, well, it becomes less so. The question is, how much less so?
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2003, 10:21:54 pm »

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It's kind of an ironic and funny comment. See, if they are intelligent, they wouldn't want to come here in the first place, seeing as this place is such a mess.  So if you believe in the theory that there is intelligent life out there (based on whatshamaxcalled it's equation, or whatever), then them not appearing here is good evidence of that they are very bright.


Kind of like the Chinese, way back when Europeans were basically rolling in their own fecies.  They had nice big ships to sail the world and what did they find?  China was a hell of a lot better, and they went home!  When Europeans found out that China was a hell of a lot better, they built their own ships and set out, ruining just about every place they set their foot on!

Maybe it's best we don't have light-speed travel yet.   Wink
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2003, 09:04:08 pm »

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Maybe it's best we don't have light-speed travel yet.   Wink

With the nuts we have in charge of our world, I agree with you my friend.   Wink
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2003, 12:59:14 am »

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Drake's equation.
Probability of intelligent life being anywhere = (1 - probability of life being at any particular star) ^ number of stars

Wait... aren't you missing a 1- at the beginning? If there are two stars, and the probability is 0.9 for each one, the probability of life anywhere is not 0.01, but 0.99. You've given the probability of life being nowhere Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2003, 01:59:45 am »

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Wait... aren't you missing a 1- at the beginning? If there are two stars, and the probability is 0.9 for each one, the probability of life anywhere is not 0.01, but 0.99. You've given the probability of life being nowhere Smiley


Actually if you work this out fully mathematically. You get a very simple equation.
Start with the known principle that there is an infinite amount of space out there. Next that in this infinite amount of space there exists some number of stars (the exact amount isn't needed, for our sake it is also an infinte number). This means there should be an infinite number of planets in an infinte number of stars. However since not every planet contains life on it, there must be a finite number of planets containing life.

This leads to a simple equations of the probability of life on any planet : (Number of planets that could possible containing life)/(number of planets)
Gives you a finite number divided by an infinite number. Making the probablity of life on ANY planet to = ZERO.
(YUP folks technically we should not even exist)  Wink
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