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Frogboy
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In what way would spitballing ideas publicly possibly enable a settlement? You aren't negotiating with the public -- we have no say in the matter. If you have an offer, you can still bring it to the opposing side of the dispute. Speaking publicly serves no real purpose other than trying to do PR for your company, which is fine, but there isn't any relevance here to a legal conclusion.
I’m not talking about Stardock (or PF) posting proposals. I am talking about Stardock (or PF) being able to participate in any of the many, many discussions and opine on various ideas that are posted to speed up the process. If you think lawyers “spitball” proposals back and forth you would be mistaken. It’s a slow, arduous process. If you look back at the start of all this, I suggested PF and I talk to each other. I think you might be surprised at how much the system works to prevent direct discussions. I didn't say anything about how I thought the negotiation process between your lawyers worked. I only suggested that a restriction on your ability to discuss settlement matters with the public doesn't seem to have any bearing on whatever that negotiation process is and how it plays out. You're making a claim that "participating in the ... many discussions ... that are posted" will "speed up the process" -- if you're not participating in public discussions by offering actual proposals to the other side (as you sensibly deny intending), then I don't see how you would be doing anything but stirring the pot and doing PR. If you are having difficulty communicating with the other side, talking to us (the public) is not a substitute.
You missed the point entirely. Paul and Fred watch these posts, including this very thread. When someone posts something that's interesting that no one has thought of, neither side is allowed to comment on it which, in turn, could allow a party to directly read what the other is thinking rather than interfacing through lawyers. Is that clear now?
Let's be candid about PR. This is a tiny, tiny forum. This post has a total of about 6,000 views. And it's huge compared to the Reddit sub which has less than 1000 viewers total. To put that in perspective, the most recent (less than a week old) journal on SC UI on starcontrol.com has 10k views. The Q&A thread on starcontrol.com has almost 700,000 views. Hanging out here is not an exercise in PR. I'm here because I care about this community. I've been a part of it for years.
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Frogboy
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So right after I mention hanging out here is *not* an exercise in PR you want to try to do an online deposition?
So why are you here CS? Are you engaging in PR? You're the new one here, after all. If we're going to assign ulterior motives to anyone who wants to hang out online and talk to people, why not start with you?
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Frogboy
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You seem to be missing the point. Why should I answer your questions in the first place, anonymous internet person?
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Frogboy
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I've said I care about this community.
I don't know you. You just joined here. I may get annoyed with Elestan but at least he's actually been part of this community for years. I get angry with him but I respect him so I am more likely to answer him than some guy who just showed up to stir up trouble.
As for the litigation, it has nothing to do with you. You're just random internet guy who thinks he's entitled to answers. You're not. I'm here at my pleasure and will talk about whatever I'd like within the rules of the community.
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CommanderShepard
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I've said I care about this community.
I don't know you. You just joined here. I may get annoyed with Elestan but at least he's actually been part of this community for years. I get angry with him but I respect him so I am more likely to answer him than some guy who just showed up to stir up trouble.
As for the litigation, it has nothing to do with you. You're just random internet guy who thinks he's entitled to answers. You're not. I'm here at my pleasure and will talk about whatever I'd like within the rules of the community.
You've spent all this time coming up with excuses not to answer the questions, yet in that time, you could have answered the questions to your very own benefit if their premises were all false, and you've already demonstrated you're willing to commit time to PR.
Whether or not you know me doesn't have any bearing on whether the answers to those questions are "true". So if you have no ulterior motive, then you and the public could only benefit to see evidence of such from the answers to those questions.
You had no problem spending days and days conversing with me, telling me F&P weren't original creators, saying they issued some PR campaign against you, that they wanted your trademark, that Stardock is purely the victim, etc, yet on these very specific questions, you insist on dodging them. I wasn't particularly sure of the answers to all of them, but because you've put so much effort into dodging them on a basis that contradicts your previous correspondence, I can now be more sure that the answers wouldn't benefit you.
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Frogboy
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There’s a Q&A thread on starcontrol.com. You can always ask there or see if your questions haven’t already been asked dozens of times and answered dozens of times.
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Death 999
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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Okay, how about we time out on this whole topic for, like, a week?
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misterjei
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I'm a long time lurker and I've loved Star Control since I first got my hands on it as a kid in the 90s. The state of this litigation is so incredibly depressing.
I've long been a fan of Stardock, so when I learned about SC:O, I was ecstatic. I became a founder the same day. When I heard about the litigation, I was heart-broken. However much blame there is to go around - I'm sure there's plenty - I hope Stardock realizes the huge cost they have incurred in goodwill. I've purchased many Stardock games in the past, but now? I don't know if I could bring myself to buy another. It's an incredibly bitter pill to swallow. Maybe if Stardock reaches a settlement under terms that aren't arm-twisting P&F... I hope so.
Stardock folks, I hope you won't dismiss my point of view because I'm a "random Internet person". (I mean, I did just register to be able to post this after reading these forums for quite a long time.) There are a lot of folks out there in the same position as me. We don't all post in the forums. But we read, and we listen... I hope you'll consider how much damage is being done to your brand by this whole awful mess.
Back to my lurker hole now. 
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