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PRH
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While that is extremely flattering to Death 999, you'll have to excuse me if I don't place much value in your judgment.
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Again, what your are saying is probably true (though not necessarily so), however, you are ignoring one very basic fact. A person's general intelligence is not enough for them to be qualified to argue on a scientific topic - what you need is expertise. Even the world's best scientists have been known to make extremely dumb remarks on topics outside their field of expertise. That is why it is experts who you need to talk to in order to test your hypothesis, not random people on the Internet. Any non-expert will be easier to fool on a given topic than an expert, regardless of either person's general intelligence (and if a person's general intelligence is too low, they won't be able to become an expert in any scientific field anyway).
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Zanthius
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While any neurological effects from watching the swirling rainbow images you've shown at the beginning of this thread are perfectly explainable through known physical phenomena, and are actually very well-known.
Really? I have been looking all over for research related to the neurological effects of watching such spirals. If you know of any, please share.
EDIT: I actually found something here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_aftereffect
Seems like they have some theories... but I wouldn't say it appears to be very well understood.
Neurons coding a particular movement reduce their responses with time of exposure to a constantly moving stimulus; this is neural adaptation. Neural adaptation also reduces the spontaneous, baseline activity of these same neurons when responding to a stationary stimulus (see, for example, Barlow & Hill, 1963; Srinivasan & Dvorak, 1979; Glasser, Tsui, Pack, & Tadin, 2011). One theory is that perception of stationary objects, for example rocks beside a waterfall, is coded as the balance among the baseline responses of neurons coding all possible directions of motion. Neural adaptation of neurons stimulated by downward movement reduces their baseline activity, tilting the balance in favor of upward movement.
Anyhow, I believe that the 5HT2a receptor is involved in more or less the same mechanisms. So this isn't necessarily incompatible with my theory that they work in a similar manner to 5HT2a receptor agonists.
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Right. I'm not qualified to discuss any specific neurological effects, but regardless, there seems to be no evidence that suggests any previously unknown physical phenomena at work.
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Zanthius
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Here is a diagram showing how I imagine these dimensional fatigue projectors to activate the 5HT2A receptor system compared to magic mushrooms and DMT.
Even though they seem to activate the 5HT2A receptor system much less than magic mushrooms and DMT, they have the advantage that you can stare at them for as long as you want.
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We did. You did. Yes we can. No.
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Well, I do have a PhD in physics, so his faith isn't entirely misplaced.
And with any of that influence you grant me, Zanthius:
1) Your concern with uncontrolled and/or unethically used AI is actually a very good one. But I really doubt that starting a vaporware project is a good strategy. If that is your primary concern, offer to volunteer for MIRI or the FHI, or in the likely event that your skill set does not line up with what they need, give them money.
2) The existence of a 'spiritual molecule' seems to be an interesting fact about our brains, not about the structure of the universe.
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Zanthius
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Well, I do have a PhD in physics, so his faith isn't entirely misplaced.
So what? Eliezer Yudkowsky doesn't have any higher education, and I think you would agree that he is just as smart and well-informed as yourself.
1) Your concern with uncontrolled and/or unethically used AI is actually a very good one. But I really doubt that starting a vaporware project is a good strategy. If that is your primary concern, offer to volunteer for MIRI or the FHI, or in the likely event that your skill set does not line up with what they need, give them money.
Well, at least I have a proposal that *might* work. What kind of projects does MIRI or FHI have to make Russia and China stop making killer robots? I read Inadequate Equilibria by Eliezer Yudkowsky, and he didn't write anything about that. I also listened to him talk to Sam Harris about the dangers with emerging AI's, but he didn't give me any idea about how he would make Russia and China stop making killer robots. Yuval Noah Harari is the one that has most clearly defined the problem to me, but even he doesn't really have any idea about how to prevent China and Russia from developing killer robots.
And I don't think we have a lot of time to ramble around. During the next 10 years, Chinese and Russian killer robots are going to improve immensely. The biggest problem here isn't necessarily the emergence of AI, but the lack of trust between superpowers. Unless we can find a way to build trust between superpowers, there is going to be an arms race to make more intelligent and destructive killer robots.
2) The existence of a 'spiritual molecule' seems to be an interesting fact about our brains, not about the structure of the universe.
Most of the theories that try to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics have more than 3 dimensions. If we live in a universe with more than 3 dimensions and have evolved to ignore other dimensions or "phases of reality", there could be mechanisms which decrease our tendency to ignore other dimensions or "phases of reality". Activation of the 5HT2A receptor system could be such a mechanism.
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