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Earthlings under the shield
« on: April 26, 2003, 05:11:34 pm »

Ok, at 2134 Earth was slaveshielded by the Kzer-za.
At 2159 (more or less, depends on the player Wink ) earth's slaveshield went down.

What happened down there all these years?
And what would happen now that the earth is free?

A bit of "history": Before and during the war, Earth had some kind of global government, with Ivana Or-Kochav (By the Matrix, that's an Israeli name!) as high Provost, and with the UN as some kind of senate for all I can tell.
Some kind of utopian future, with world peace and all the nukes locked safely (until we used them on the Cruisers).

I failed to find any information describing life under the slaveshield, except this quote of Commander Hays:
"I spent so much of my time struggling --
-- down on the surface under the shield and then later up here, trying to keep this station alive "

As for what happens after the slaveshield is broken, we don't know much either. Zelnick don't mention any disaster to his grandchildren, and at 3DO ending movie we see earthling Cruisers take off from earth right after the shield is removed, so I guess the people down there eventually managed to do something. So, let’s make history!
I think the ending was good, but I can't believe that everything was fine under the shield all these years. Riots and trouble are sure to happen.
What do you think happened down there, and how did the Humans manage to have Cruisers when the shield went down 25 years later?
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Re: Earthlings under the shield
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2003, 05:31:53 pm »

Why would you expect riots? We've been living here on the surface of the Earth for tens of thousands of years, and it's never been any cause for riots.
I suspect life will go on on the planet surface as it always did.
And what Zelnick refers to as "struggling" might just be him trying to make a carrier so that he would one day be able to serve on the station in orbit.

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2003, 05:46:21 pm »

Hays referred to struggling, not Zelnick Smiley
Zelnick is the player character.

And while we never saw living here as a reason to riots, that was before we became a space faring race and participated in a big war, lost and got all our older-then-500-years buildings destroyed.
Also, all the Humans not on earth were transferred to earth before the slaveshield went up (or at least most of them, as you know a certain group of scientists didn't). After quite a while of living on other planets and expending in space, this transfer of people to earth probably put a lot of strain on the system, finding homes and food for all of those refugees.

I think this is when riots, extremes (religious and not) and all those nasty things raise their ugly heads and start making trouble.

IMO at least, earth would be in quite a mess after the shield is placed.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2003, 06:55:25 pm »

Why no riots?  Sometime, ask the thraddash what happens when an ur-quan slave species doesn't behave so nicely.  Ur-quan start saying a lot of things that end in 'or die'.  When a species that has already obliterated good portions of your planet and whipped your entire race says things that end in 'or die', you listen.  Or you die.  Since humanity is still around, I'm supposing they listened.

More likely then not, they behaved themselves.  They didn't exactly know about the ur-quan being busy, and since there IS a starbase in orbit specifically for ur-quan to come to, and since there were supposed to be several spathi and ilwrath around to rat us out if we tried anything....well, lets just say misbehaving seems like a very bad idea.

I'd say it was most likely the human government generally controlled the populace, preventing any activities that might end in fusion blasts, and did their best to make humanity survive, probably limited to solar, wind and geothermal power (cause the ur-quan were gonna vaporize us if we tried nuke power, and it's not exactly like the oil on this planet is gonna last til 2300).

As for the cruiser....it was either very well hidden, cause hunams are sneaky like that, or it was an incosistency.  Or it wasn't a cruiser, just a shuttle for ferrying people to and from the space station every 20 odd years.

Also, IIRC, humanity didn't spend all that much time in space expanding.  I'm pretty sure they took their first steps into hyperspace, and right about then the chenjesu showed up to explain that we were about to die.  Doesn't exactly leave time for expansionism.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2003, 08:06:15 pm »

I don't think the Ur-quan care what happens under the slaveshield.
Also the races that heard all the "or die" sentences were battle thralls, and the Ur-quan needed them to fight.
Under the shield, we were pretty much on our own.
Beside, the Thraddash lunched their nukes on themselves, there is a big difference between that and some riots and perhaps terrorism on earth.

About Human expansion: In fact if I remember correctly Human didn't have Hyperspace capabilities until the Chenjesue gave us the tech. BUT bases on asteroids and planets in the system were mentioned, maybe I'm wrong, but it's probably safe to assume that there was a colony on mars and maybe on some asteroids. Especially in this semi-utopian future SC have for the Humans (utopian until the war that is).

And last, for the Cruisers - you can watch the movie yourself if you'll download it here:
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/3do/movies.shtml

The ships are certainly Earthling Cruisers, and lots of them. Since we try to make sense of all the little inconsistencies and mistakes in SC2, we can't just rid that as an inconsistency that should be ignored. At least unless ridding it like that is best for some story in plan. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2003, 03:07:35 am »

Not to mention, seeing a deep pulsing red whenever you go outside... Everything indoors probably looked green for a few minutes.

Well, it's 25 years of having to run around on the surface, accepting the fact that you will probably never be able to populate other worlds. I imagine precautions against overpopulation were probably put into effect...
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2003, 04:15:09 am »

do you think the weather changed at all on Earth because of the slavesheild? Maybe the red layer caused some sort of greenhouse effect. I know I would start looting if it was extremely hot all the time, assuming I could live for that long outdoors.  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2003, 06:15:34 am »

Dunno, I imagined it wasn't really so much of a solid 'hard' shield as it is an energy shield that blows apart anything that tries to pass through it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2003, 10:34:54 am »

first, i would hope with the time they had on the surface, that they would rebuild all there lost buildings. second, the government should look into what was destroyed, by the ur quan, at places where there was no buildings, or reason to do so. maybe something useful they were diging up could of been used for a plot development to make a sequal. the humans had plenty of time to accomplish all that in 25 years easy. they might also be having to keep some people in line, as to prevent any mischeif that might bring down the ur quan to punish them. all in all it would be like it is now without space travel and hate for one another. im sure the slave shield would bring us all together as one, so that we might be stronger because of it. we would bide our time and eventually persavere. time always has a way of working things out. ~DEFIANT  
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2003, 11:15:37 pm »

This is very optimistic, how about this:
After the slave shield went up, religious extremes blamed anyone else for bringing the anger of god, this is the real reason we lost to the Ur-quan! God is mad on us!

"Green" groups and Gaia cults want to return Humanity to our primordial state, people should destroy their cities and technology and live with nature. Tech didn't bring us any good, and we're trapped here anyway! Those cults would have their extremes too...

The stronger countries expel the space refugees from their territory and close their borders, in an attempt to prevent hunger and shortage from their people. In other places hunger and shortage in water and medical supplies get only worse with time. This cause the UN to crumble, the global government no longer mean anything.

Cults that worship the Ur-quan show up here and there, their people led to believe that if the Ur-quan will find us worthy they'll remove the shield.

Angry mobs attack government facilities, they voted for being Battle thralls, why were they imprisoned under the slaveshield?!
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2003, 01:44:48 am »

True, and don't forget that the Kzer-Za themselves claim humanity will come to love and revere the Ur-Quan for the gift of enslavement (mmm...bondage and dominance). I imagine this is probably spoken out of past experience.

After all, in a few hundred years the Ur-Quan could very well become as gods in the enslaved society's re-started history. What else do you call a race that comes from the heavens to dictate their  commands, have the power to smite you at their slightest inclination, and occasionally will take a gifted few to a 'higher place of existence'? (starbase)
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2003, 03:52:02 am »

Damn you all have some interesting ideas on this. (Just found my way here).

Truthfully no matter how peaceful we may have been I think being crushed by an alien race and all thrown back home under a big red shield would send any society into a state of Turmoil.
We probably had roits for food to start, Then some rationing systems were set-up. I could see a war or two occuring.
As for the Nukes. I think the Ur-Quan could care less if we had Nuclear power, or even Nuclear missles on the planet. Nothing we did was gonna break that shield.
Guess that might explain the Cruisers at the end. After a few wars, and some time for a new government Earth probably decided to work on getting the shield down. If nothing else prepare a fleet incase an Ally got the shield down so that we wouldn't be defenseless.
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Re: Earthlings under the shield
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2003, 12:35:49 am »

A couple of things.

1.) We humans, for the most part, aren't stupid enough to think that the Ur-Quan are "gods". We've had religion set in to the face of this planet for over 3000 years, it'd take more than that to change things. The "Green" groups would get smushed by government police, anyway... Tongue As for the Ur-Quan telling Zelnick that the Earthlings would love them for enslaving them, it might actually be true after awhile. If the Earthlings knew about the Kohr-Ah, I'd wanna be a battle thrall too, if they promised to be nice. I DON'T think, however that we'd call them our "gods".

2.) If you recall, Fwiffo tells Zelnick about battle thrall vs. fallow. Being enslaved entailed "Returning to Pre-Atomic savagery on the face of the planet.", so no nukes.

3.) I'm sure that precautions on overpopulation would be taken. Probably something like China. Shocked
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2003, 04:41:36 am »

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There are a lot of people on this planet -today- that I am absolutely positive would do such a thing as worship alien conquerers as gods, even without the benefit of hundreds or thousands of years of enslavement.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2003, 10:21:37 pm »

This is why I said cults, most of humanity won't believe that the Ur-quan are gods, only the people Pirmat know Wink

But I didn't start this thread just to name all the bad things that could've happened under the shield.
How do you think the Humans managed it all? We know that at the end they even had Cruisers ready to leave the surface as fast as the shield went down.

Let's write a story, a future history.
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