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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2002, 06:31:15 am »

I want to know why Humans and the Syreen are so genetically similar that they can produce offspring.
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2002, 03:55:36 am »

compatible plumbing.

next question...
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2002, 12:46:25 pm »

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next question...

Okay, are the Melnorme really the Mael-Num?
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2002, 11:58:26 pm »

Wellllll... I would ask why you can never buy 'useless facts for a considerable discount' since that would be highly a highly amusing way to waste one's extra Melnorme creds, but what I WILL ask is this:

The origional SC2 fit on four 1.44 MB floppys.  Why is the re-release 144MB? @_@
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2003, 12:19:16 am »

*reads more of the forum posts*

Wait... Speech?

*remembers the winky sounds that came from his SB16 in his 386 a looooong looooong time ago...*

*blinks*

Damn i'm old.  Grin

BTW those 'winky sounds' were about the best I heard for any game that ran on my 386, I think... That was waaay too long ago for me to remember with any attempt at clarity. =)
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2003, 01:33:00 pm »

Hmm, well, disregarding SCIII (which I never even saw)...

I don't think the Orz really did anything to harm the Androsynth, though I'm not sure what happened to them.

Perhaps I've been reading Robert Jordan's Wheel of TIme novels for too long, but study exactly what the Arilou say.

"There are parasites. Creatures who dwell Beyond.  They have names, but you do not know them. They would like to find you but they are blind to your presence... unless you show yourselves."

After reading this several times, I suddenly realized it could just as easily apply to the Arilou themselves...........
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2003, 07:45:22 pm »

I don't see why so many people want to think that the Orz didn't harm the Androsynth. If the Orz were innocent, why would they ATTACK YOU for asking about the Androsynth?
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2003, 11:37:53 pm »

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I'd like to know what happened to the Androsynth.  


The got eaten by the Hounds of Tindalos. Go read your HP Lovecraft.

Seriously, though, one of your human crew accidentally triggers the same cycle of destruction for your race if you wander around the Androsynth cities enough, and seals himself away so that the creatures will not be able to see any other humans but himself when they arrive. Therefore, it makes no aesthetic sense to me why the Orz would be responsible for the Androsynth's demise, because they are here and getting on well with humanity whereas the creatures who travel through dimensions to kill whoever can see in on them are still at large and obviously malevalevolant. I believe the Orz are around by mistake.
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2003, 04:59:09 am »

Well if they didn't harm the Androsynth, then why do they try to kill you if you merely ask about them?
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2003, 09:46:30 pm »

Could be any number of reasons.  Remember how alien the Orz are.

One possibility is simply shame.  Perhaps the Orz were supposed to be protecting folks like the Androsynth and failed.  Or it could be that the Orz don't want you to find out so that humanity will not be *seen*.
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2003, 10:58:24 pm »

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One possibility is simply shame.  Perhaps the Orz were supposed to be protecting folks like the Androsynth and failed.  Or it could be that the Orz don't want you to find out so that humanity will not be *seen*.

Nice idea, it takes the mind in interesting directions.  If the Orz were to the Androsynth as the Ariloulaleelay were to the Hunams, then yes, they would do whatever it took to protect and defend their Androsynth *children*, up to and including making them all disappear and making their home planet look destroyed; I don't know if I'd call that motivation "shame", though..

But I don't think that's what TFB had in mind; the story of SC2 is, (and I don't mean this pejoratively) fairly standard pulp sci-fi fare, and the main plot theme is, to coin a phrase, "that which would destroy you only wants to protect you." This is a somewhat common pulp sci-fi theme (Ur-Quan vs. Kohr-Ah, Vorlons vs. Shadows, Terminator vs. T-1000, etc.) and if anything, I think the Arilou vs. Orz subplot was supposed to mirror the main Doctrinal Conflict plot:

e.g., What the /(Arilou|Kzer-Za)/ were doing was morally ambiguous at best, but they were only trying to protect humanity from /(being *seen*|total annihilation)/; the /(Androsynth|Burvixese)/ had no such protection, and were ostensibly wiped out by the /(Orz|Kohr-Ah)/, proving that the threat was real.

I think any explanation other than "they are the Big Bad that the Arilou wants to protect us from" is mental masturbation; fun, but serves no useful purpose.

Much thanks to Mr. Fred Ford for not jumping in and giving us the "real answers," they are probably much more boring than the byzantine explanations we can come up with on the board..  Smiley  Carl Macek did a commentary track on a Robotech DVD where he kindly explained that the purpose of the entire story was to showcase the fine model kits you could purchase at the time from Revell, Inc., the people who ultimately financed the project.  I'm sure that "the producer's perspective" of the SC2 plot is similarly pragmatic, and as such, something that is better left unheard, and therefore, to the imagination.

My $0.02 USD.
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2003, 01:11:35 am »

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Could be any number of reasons.  Remember how alien the Orz are.

One possibility is simply shame.  Perhaps the Orz were supposed to be protecting folks like the Androsynth and failed.  Or it could be that the Orz don't want you to find out so that humanity will not be *seen*.


I posted a similar theory in the big Orz discussion here (scroll down a little bit).
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2003, 06:57:40 am »

As others have noted, the Arilou call the Orz 'parasites' and mention them as mere 'fingers' of a larger entity. I don't think the Orz *ate* the Androsynth per se, but rather... the Orz ARE the Androsynth. They've been taken over and corrupted by whatever entity is pulling the strings in Quasispace. Basically, the Androsynth became hosts for the Orz.

This also explains why the Arilou changed the *smell* of humans through genetic manipulation; basically, making humans ill-suited hosts for the Orz parasite. This also might explain why the Orz get really cheesed off if you ask too many questions about the Androsynth... maybe there's still a bit of the clones inside the Orz and asking about the Androsynth... brings old hatreds to the surface.
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2003, 11:05:09 am »

My theory, based on my ages old memory...

The Orz are an extra-dimensional entity, meaning they come from an existence not entirely from our own (Remember the manual's description of the things you see in Hyperspace? The Orz may be one of those 'things'.) and were 'released' into our space because of the meddling of the Androsynth.

Now, the Orz may or may NOT be benevolent (more likely an alien version of benevolence), but I believe the entire Androsynth race was either destroyed and what wasn't destroyed was pulled into the space the Orz were occupying.

It happens then, that the Orz were working to keep this extra-dimensional killer entity(ies) from entering into our space when the Androsynth stupidly opened a door into their dimension. The Orz presumably left the Androsynth in their place while they proceeded to guard the 'door' on 'this' side. The Orz do NOT belong to the same dimension as the Arilou, but are classified as Extra-Dimensional beings.

The Orz's response to your asking too many questions may be their version of 'curbing your curiosity', because if you know or even suspect something, you might try to go do what the Androsynth did, and then all hell would break loose. So the Orz try to protect you by keeping you away from this issue.

What the Arilou may be doing is preventing the killer entity(ies) from finding a way through to 'our' dimension by 'scenting' out humans (why humans, we'll never know. But hey. Maybe the human genome is some sort of proto-base for all other life in the universe?).

I don't think the Orz are 'evil' or 'bad', just... well, Orz.
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Re: What question about SC do you most want answer
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2003, 12:35:23 pm »

Here is my lame opinion:

First of all the Arilou are from *above* and the Orz from *below*, which I think is a pretty blatant comparison to heaven and hell. The Arilou are trying to help you in many ways, and the Orz just make allies for what? To maybe exploit you sometime in the future. Like the devil tempting you with material goods to bind you to them.

Next, I sort of remember the Orz saying that real space, or *heavy space* as they call it was much better than where they used to be. So I think they used to occupy this *below* dimension with all sorts of ghouls and hellish creatures whom they probably had conflict with, and when the Androsynth fooled around with interdimensional warp fatigue or whatever, they opened this portal to this dimension. All these ghouls and stuff came in along with the Orz, the ghouls killed off the Androsynth in a gruesome manner (remember the ship's scientist on the Androsynth world who found out too much and went insane and was getting slowly killed by these "cuts" opening on him in an increasing number.) Anyways, the ghouls could only exist for a short while here, maybe they require "hosts" or whatever, but the only way the two dimensions can intersect is with knowledge of their existence, or holes such as the Androsynth created. (Because as the scientist said, they are occupying the same space but different phases of reality, ie dimensions.) So maybe the Orz figured out a way to survive in our dimension: they learned to make *light projections* of themselves as they said. (Because as you may remember, when you meet them, and you say, "nice to see you," they say, "haha that is funny, you think you see us but all you are seeing is a *light projection*, or  *fingers*, but they are just really Orz.) So it seems that they have found a way to somehow project themselves into our dimension, *heavy space*, while simultaneously continuing to reside in at least one other dimension, *below.* Anyways that's my *silly* theory. I guess I will know if I'm right if I get eaten or slowly mauled by some horrid interdimensional creature.  Wink
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